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Pedro, The Wyoming Mummy
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Posted By:
Rod
in the land of smarties.
Mar 18, 2005
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This was posted in another thread, and copy/pasted here.
Pedro is the name of a mummy that was found near where I live. In this part of Wyoming we have long enjoyed the reactions from this myth. This article is currently the most accurate. The mummy itself is not a hoax. I became aware of it in the 70's when many adults had inspected it. The hoax is that Bibleland.com is currently making a profit (if only a mental one) by using it (as many have in the past) to their advantage. I live on the Shoshone Reservation and have grown up with the myths. Here are some of things that are in error variously, online. It's not "San Pedro the Mummy" nor the "Mountain Mummy". It's just the 'Pedro Mountains Mummy'. Here are the GPS coordinates for where it was found. This is in a high desert in the linear break bewteen the Southern (colorado) and central (the rest) rockies. To this day there is a sign in Shirley Basin signifying "Little Man Mine". The mine was registered with Carbon County but never produced. In error on the Bibleland site is the 'fact' that it had pubic hair (it did not). Also, the legend of the Little People (as local historians call the myth) killing their own is in fact an occasional truth of all the nomadic plains tribes who couldn't have their infirm interrupt their necessarily nomadic lifestyle. This fact has been transferred on to this mummy. Also, you will see quotes and stories mis-attributed to Dr. Gill, et al. as this story once again spreads as it did in the 70's. The mummy was examined at UW (I looked into this as a student there) and was found to be a diseased child (essentially a pinhead). Case closed and it then became a profit device. There are actually many mummy-cases like this and one would assume these human oddities would also occur in plains/prehistoric tribes (there's a similar mummy in the holdings of the Buffalo Bill center in Cody, WY - something Bibleland alludes to inexactly). It's really not that freaky. The thing is, people before Bibleland have made monetary offers for the remains - unsuccessfully. Bibleland knows this and knows it's a safe bet it will not turn up. Therefore, they can make any preposterous claim they wish. Given the gullibility level of literal followers of Genesis (funny how they're usually Christian even though Genesis comes from the jewish testament, not the christian one) it's pretty easy (as usual)to get this one over on those that are predisposed to believe this kind of stuff. There are many pix online and they are public domain. I'd like to see this one 'buried' (and with no "san") even though I relish the myth and have been to the actual site.
Posted by jimmyjay on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 08:39 PM
The article is HERE
The Coordinates are HERE
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Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 | 10:24 PM
DAMN IT!
I forgot to include his correction...
typo- Bibleland.com should read biblelandstudios.com
Posted by jimmyjay on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 08:47 PM |
jimmyjay
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 | 01:17 AM
A little more on the mummy from Pedro Mountain, conversationally.
The reason it's a hoax-
The mummy really did exist. Bibleland, knowing the mummy can not be found, is circuitously claiming that if it can not be found, evolution is therefore wrong and you should therefore presumably become a member of Bibleland.
Bibleland makes no differentiation between fact and local fun. The headline reads "Pedro the Mountain Mummy" rather than the "mummy from Pedro Mountain". You will also see "San Pedro Mountains" ('san' prefix is from a different part of the US). These misprints are from "fun' internet sites. As hoax-followers are well aware, people need myth-making. In this case, some newspapers were happy to support the myths. Then, decades later, you have people 'mis-reading' the tone.
other examples-
"But do infants have sharp little teeth on the top and bottom?"
Answer: If you examine the corpses of, say, one thousand anomalous infants just imagine what malformities you will find. Answer is yes.
"Many...believe he is a fully formed 60-65 year old adult. But why for one second would we consider their testimony over qualified, educated doctors?"
Answer: Would you rather have a qualified doctor perform an autopsy on a loved one or a carnival side-show operator?
Elsewhere on their site: Though the body of work behind evolution is amongst the greatest in literature, they leave out many key facets in their argument. Just enough tangential clues to convince the gullibles of a system of logic. Classic hoax stuff. This might not work overseas but as Americans are not taught the complete body of knowledge on Evolution, they receive the very little they know about it through cultural outlets. Because of this, it's very very easy to lead people astray by convincing them there is no fossil record (there is)or that the word 'theory' means it is not fact (theory, in science, means 'observed fact'. See Theory of Electricity, Theory of AIDS, etc.).Then, you add in the mummy and voila! Perfect hoax material! Keep in mind that Bibleland has no more info sources on this than you have. (they also suggest you NOT contact the examining University). Enjoy. |
John
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 02:38 AM
Hmm...
I don't see anything wrong with Mr. Adolfi trying to aquire the remains. I personally would like to see this mummy subjected to the most modern up to date tests. It very well could be a fetus, but I don't know (sure doesn't look like one).
I wonder if the NAGPRA laws prohibit the study of the mummy though?
Anyways, if the mummy was ever proven to be an adult, I would rather see this as a validation of Native legends than the Genesis story.
It's obvious in my opinion that little people existed, and the Native traditions suggest this fact. |
Avram Fawcett
in TNT Land
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:07 AM
I was four and I saw this on Unsolved Mysteries. In all my life, nothing was creepier to me than that. The creature is so bizarre. I doubt seriously its a fetus. It's just too bizarre. At the time they aged it at 65. And the jellylike stuff on is head was congealed blood and brain matter. Obviousyl he had had a violent death and yes Nimergiar tales of killing old warriors go along with the truth.
Little Man Mine? It's actually the same area? |
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 10:00 AM
...I've heard of tribes bludgeoning children to death if they were born with deformities & such. Apparently their gods were already against the kid for damaging them in the womb. |
Silent Fish
in an endless forest of wooden chairs
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 11:14 AM
yeah I think somewhere in africa they kill children if their bottom teeth come in first |
Avram Fawcett
in GWA!
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 02:06 PM
Mercy killing. |
Mark-N-Isa
in Midwest USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 02:26 PM
Does anyone have alink to some pictures of this "Pedro Mountains Mummy"? Or a URL where some can be found??? Just curious because I'm not sure if I've ever read anything about this before... |
Avram Fawcett
in BOobland
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 11:10 AM
www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Lagoon/1345/pedro.html |
LC
in Wyoming
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 | 12:50 AM
Ok, I grew up about 60 miles from where the Pedro Mountain Mummy was found. As a 4th grader i was taught about theese pygmy people as fact not myth. There are stories from many many tribes describing deadly battles with the bow carrying pygmy's. Said to have great power and so on. To this day i still hear of people sighting the little ones running through the prarie. I have seen foot prints (though years ago) 2.5 to 3" long in fresh soft prarie dirt atleast 50 miles from anything. These people are not a hoax. People believe in big-foot and many other things, But a mummy was found and no one wants to acknowledge it as fact. I hope it turns up and i will donate the next $10 dollars on the $10,000 offer to make it a total of $10,010 and have sent an e-mail of my offer to Mr. Adolfi. I hope more people will do the same so whoever has this mummy will give it up. I feel the energy and know of the strange things Wyoming has to offer. Growing up here has made me open to many things, mostly because you cannot explain what happens in wyoming easily. Keep an open mind and remember a story hundreds of years old with physical proof cannot just be a story. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 | 02:19 AM
LC said:
"Ok, I grew up about 60 miles from where the Pedro Mountain Mummy was found. As a 4th grader i was taught about theese pygmy people as fact not myth."
This, of course, proves absolutely nothing. What myth have you heard of that is taught to children AS a myth? Aren't they just about always taught as true stories?
"There are stories from many many tribes describing deadly battles with the bow carrying pygmy's. Said to have great power and so on. To this day i still hear of people sighting the little ones running through the prarie."
They are "said" to be or have this or that. You "hear stories" about them. Proves nothing. I heard stories about Santa Claus all my life. I guess that "proves" that he exists, huh?
"I have seen foot prints (though years ago) 2.5 to 3" long in fresh soft prarie dirt atleast 50 miles from anything. These people are not a hoax."
Did you ever bother to make a plaster cast of these footprints and have them analyzed? If you didn't, how can you be sure that they belong to tiny humans?
"Keep an open mind and remember a story hundreds of years old with physical proof cannot just be a story."
There are many myths from all around the world which have "evidence" to back them up. Unfortunately, it always turns out that the evidence is misinterpreted by the believers.
Go find some more of your tiny footprints, carefully document your findings and take casts of them to scientists. Let us know what they tell you. |
Sarah Hullquist
in Brushton, NY
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 | 04:50 PM
LC! I would really like to get all and or contact people who have had recent sitings for any information proving little people/miniature mummys/pedro actually existed. I am currently working on personal research on this little guy and details surrounding it, and would appreciate all the help I can get - specially more recent information as most of the details I could find are 1930-1950's when the mummy dissapeared. If you would PLEASE contact me, my number is 518/358-3494 or e-mail me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). THANK YOU!!! |
Citizen Premier
in spite of public outcry
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 | 06:25 PM
Elementary school teachers are retards. This is a fact, not a conjecture.
Plus they used to yell at me for picking my nose. Still do, actually. |
John Adolfi
in Fulton, N.Y.
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 | 02:53 PM
Dear Friends,
I want to thank you for all your comments. Both pro and con about bibleland, the offer and Pedro himself. If any of you have any information regarding the little people or the whereabouts of pedro please feel free to contact us.
Regarding a previous posters claim that we are requesting that a University be not contacted. The truth is we requested that the previous owners son Dix Goodman not be contacted at his request he made to myself. We try to do everything we do above board and in good conscience. Please visit us often fore we have some surprises ahead this year. We want to prove Genesis with hard evidence. Help find the evidence. |
Cooky CRRRAZY person
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 07:22 PM
YIPES!
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Avram Fawcett
in someplace
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 | 05:28 PM
I'll be...Adolfi caught wind of us! Indeed, I'd like that little cretin to be found (just to put my haunted midn to rest) but will bibleland be the one to do it? |
John Adolfi
in Fulton, N.Y.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 06:18 AM
Ladies and Gentleman,
Just an update on the quest for Pedro. We are currently in the process of writing a book on Pedro and many claims of "Little People" throughout the world. We will be focusing on the evolution/creation debate and the implications of this pygmy mummy. We will continue to offer the $10,000 reward till he is found. See our web site www.biblelandstudios.com in the winter of 2005 for the book titled: The Quest For Pedro The Mountian Mummy. |
Avram Fawcett
in Hot
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 | 04:06 PM
Well.....at last a book on Pedro. Interesting. Keep searching John. My money's on California.
tah aphu awk tomoba, nan su wuh kai tu ah nahnia |
John Adolfi
in Fulton, N.Y.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 11:17 AM
Dear Forum Friends,
The Museum that Rod indicated in his March 18th post was recently contacted this month and found that not Pedro but "Mummy Joe" mummy was there at one time. He is a full sized native american who lived approx. 700AD. Found in Mummy Cave. Again another deadend lead but keep them coming. The new link I'm providing is directly to our Pedro page. The book is coming along and should be out sometime in the next 4-6 months.
Sincerely,
John Adolfi |
John Adolfi
in fulton, N.Y.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 11:19 AM
www.biblelandstudios.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2 |
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