Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
Ken is pushing the hydration thing just like LifeWave did in the early days.
If the CieAura holographic discs don't work you had better drink more water, especially "structured" water.
We all remember LifeWave and the "structured" Okalani water scam.
Currently LifeWave, 8ight, Harmony Energy and CieAura, to name a few, are all selling their SCAM products and the USA is doing ZERO about it.
What's up with that?
?
Head Games
in Missouri
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 | 06:56 PM
Think about it for a second, if I gave you a 3x5 card with a piece of copper wire attached to it. Told you to place it in your pocket for a period of 10 days and all your illnesses, pains and cancers will disappear. your would believe it, why?
Cause you believe it will.
It's all a head game......all in your head
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 | 03:45 PM
"Hello,
I was a lifewave dist. several years ago and had the hardest time. Recently
I have been invited to an opp. meeting for a similer product call cieaura.
Have you heard of it and what's your take on it?
Please contact me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Sincerely, Tim"
Well, Tim, I guess you might get a few responses to your question here.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 | 03:49 PM
Tim,
Here's a good place to start reading about the CieAura SCAM. You can also read that as the 8ight SCAM. They are all pretty much interchangeable.
This clip will sell you on the idea of better sleep using the 5 cent holographic sticker.
These SCAMS are alive and well, along with LifeWave.
Congratulations to sociopath David (not a doctor or a scientist but who cares anyway) Schmidt, as his company presses on into the new decade.
It appears the world really is his oyster, and along with the likes of Ron Morefield, Rich Land, Warren Hanchey, Ken Rasner etc. etc. SCAMS can prosper unhindered by such things as common sense, scientific proof, ethics.
Classic
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Joel Member
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 | 07:34 PM
It's been almost two months since my post on Nov. 20 citing the new FTC regulations that require people who post on-line reviews about a product to disclose their financial association with the product's sellers, and if they are distributors to disclose whether their claimed experiences are typical, or face a risk being sued by Attorneys General or enterprising private lawyers.
Since then, we haven't seen any new Lifewave testimonials.
I wonder whether that's merely an odd coincidence.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 | 06:37 PM
Sociopath David Schmidt (not a doctor or a scientist or much of anything else except a consummate SCAM artist) started out as a liar and continues in the same vein.
"As of today LifeWave NC’s cutting-edge, patent-pending technology..."
We know that LifeWave's patent application was NOT granted. His re-application was NOT granted.
LifeWave never did apply for world wide patents.
If you had invented such an important scientific breakthrough, wouldn't you apply for world wide patents?
SkepticalinCA
in California
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 | 09:31 AM
My aunt is all over this Lifewave stuff and I myself, am a skeptic about it all. HOWEVER, after going through this entire thread from beginning to end all of the Lifewave propaganda is still available and up and running, hardly any broken links etc. The World Scam people have the WORST website I have ever seen (from a design standpoint) AND many of their links are broken. All in all, whether the product works or not Lifewave has remained untouched and clearly professional while all the skeptics have not only failed to disprove is accuracy, they've also appeared extremely unprofessional. I would be VERY interested to see an official study done of Lifewave products, but since the "scam watchers" seem to be reluctant to do one, I'll have to assume Livewave has their shit together. If you want to call "scam" show me the well put together, professional facts.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 | 10:49 AM
SkepticalinCA
in California
Please be honest when posting and declare that you are, in fact, from the LifeWave company or at the very least a distributor of the SCAM products.
DUH!
You claim to have read this thread, all 286 pages of it.
You have not. If you had, your questions have ALL been answered MANY times over.
LifeWave is stooping lower by the day.
Readers may also want to check out the LifeWave spin off companies.
Good old Warren Hanchey at 8ight.com and Ken Rasner at CieAura.
"I would be VERY interested to see an official study done of Lifewave products..."
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
You really are a joker aren't you!
You've read everything from LifeWave including all their OFFICIAL "studies"!
You're soooo funny!
Thank you for entering the debate.
This thread has been getting very stale.
You've cheered it up no end.
SkepticalinCA
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 | 11:14 AM
I am NOT a Lifewave distributor, nor have I ever said these products work. I've merely pointed out the difference in professionalism from Lifewave and those calling scam. Also I HAVE read a great deal of propaganda both from lifewave and from scam hunters. I remain objective. I would LOVE to see an independent study from an accredited university either proving or disproving Lifewave. If you have a working link I'd love to see it.
My post had no questions in it.. I don't see a question mark anywhere in the post. Perhaps you need to go back to grade school? <--- Question mark.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 | 06:37 AM
SkepticalinCA
"I am NOT a Lifewave distributor..."
Right.
So, in a nutshell, if a website looks "professional" and the links all work...it can't be a SCAM!
I bow to your powerful logic. Can't beat that kind of argument!
OMG
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 | 08:09 AM
Speaking as someone who HAS read this entire thread, I have to agree with EDHUK. SkepticalinCA must not have read much if he or she is not convinced Lifewave is a scam. On what scientific basis does Lifewave deserves any respect? The WWSN website is not maintained by a professional or government organization. It is put together by one person whose only intent is to expose scams. Just because the Lifewave site is professionally designed in no way makes its claims true. The fact that SkepticalinCA doesn't realize these things just highlights his or her scientific illiteracy and susceptibility to woo. Then there's the concept of where the burden of proof lies. It's with the person... oh hell, just read the thread, it's all there.
Joel Member
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 | 11:22 AM
EDHUK,
With respect to Lifewave's claim that, "As of today LifeWave NC’s cutting-edge, patent-pending technology..." , the claim that the patches are "patent pending" is actually true. "Patent-pending" merely means that a patent has been applied for. All that takes is $110 and the ability to scribble something - anything - with purple crayon on a piece of paper and call it a "patent application." That's why it's so funny to hear companies advertise that their products are "patent pending." It means completely zilch as to the merits of their products. Plus, as we know, "Dr. David Schmidt"'s patent application has been rejected numerous times by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.
SkepticalinCA,
"If you want to call "scam" show me the well put together, professional facts.
You'd probably also demand "well put together, professional facts" to prove that wearing a tinfoil hat doesn't keep the government from otherwise reading your thoughts. Or the "well put together, professional facts" to prove that that email you just got from Nigeria promising to share $20 million with you isn't a scam.
I'll issue to you the same challenge that I have issued numerous times to numerous Lifewave supporters none of which has ever taken me up on my challenge: I'll bet you $5,000 that you (or your aunt, or Fatty Haltiwanger, or your favorite holistic gerbil doctor, or anybody else) can't tell real Lifewave patches from fake (placebo) patches.
BTW, which Lifewave claims about sugar-and-glycerin patches that work by resonant energy transfer are you "assuming" are true because they make so much sense to you: pain relief, anti-snoring, better sleep, protection from malaria, protection from radiation poisoning, protection from chemical warfare agents, protection from hearing loss, inhibiting the aging process, restoring failing eyesight in old people, smoothing out wrinkly old faces, making trauma wounds heal faster, instantly 20% more strength, instantly more stamina, curing cancer, effective treatment of childhood autism, the patches act just like tiny little cell phones sending an FM signal that "programs" the body, weight loss, removing excess levels of heavy metals from the body, all with no side effects whatsoever, all with sometimes severe side effects, counterswirling energy vortices, a human thermomagnetic field because the body acts like a giant thermocouple due to dissimilar metals and different temperatures in the body, or curing sciatica, or a surgery-free boob job, or . . .
Remember that a purely open mind is a purely empty mind.
So we're both in California. What do you say about the $5,000 bet? Every other Lifewave supporter that has ever appeared on these pages has been too chicken. In their hearts, they all know the truth. You do too, don't you.