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Joel
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 | 06:32 PM
Do we need any better proof that the educational system in this country has utterly failed our children? Sure, it's fun to believe in harmless whims of fantasy like UFO abductions, but it is MIND BOGGLING to see people swallowing this LifeWave crap.
Knowing that people are falling for this scam by the thousands, and reading the comments posted by Wavers, is like watching a human train wreck unfold in slow motion - fascinating, morbid entertainment. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 | 08:34 PM
EDHUK,
Yes thank you, I forgot about the cream.
Don't be too hard on those who have been taken in by Lifewave. They are just victims of a wave of pseudoscientific nonsense that has been slowly choking the reality out of society for the sole purpose of making a fast buck. Every one likes to think they are keeping up to date but most don't seem to know how. It's just too easy to think you've stumbled on to something everyone else, including the PhD's, doesn't know. This being in the exclusive crowd is very intoxicating and hard to let go of. A hundred years ago, it was possible to have advanced knowledge of something mainstream science hadn't grasped yet, but today you need to be working with the best in the field for many years to be in that position. Unfortunately, many who flunked high school science don't realize this especially with the number of charlatans out there telling them what they want to hear.
The amazing progress of real science and technology has led some to believe that anything is possible right now. But as Joel says, they don't understand real physics, chemistry, and biology, so they can't use that knowledge to filter out the crap spread by Lifewave, homeopathics, chiropractics, acupunturists, and others. If only people knew that, for instance, this magnetic field that Lifewave claims exist around the human body, is total nonsense, then they would instantly be able to judge a product that claims to "modulate" it by "resonant energy transfer".
The bottom line is people must face the fact that, at this point in time, not everything is possible and not every disease is curable. They must resist those who demonize modern science and claim to have miraculous inventions and cures that science is "hiding from them" or is too incompentent to develop. If the vast technology industry, with its PhD's, Nobel Prize winners and billions of dollars worth of research and development capability can't do something, then why should we believe a bunch of uneducated, fly-by-night, rejects with criminal records can do it? |
Nanoman
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 | 10:08 PM
EDHUK,
And you thought that was a worthy reply??!! Its funny how you always resort to personal attacks. All I am stating is the facts. LW is publishing studies and you can take it or leave it. Many people still bash acupuncture as well but guess what....it is here to stay as well, just like LW. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 | 10:12 PM
Bill Nott,
Here is another example of what appears to be faked science as reported today in What's New by Bob Park, physics professor at the University of Maryland.
1. BUBBLE FUSION: NEWS OF SCIENCE THAT WON'T CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
The story sounded vaguely familiar. A claim was made in the month of March that deuterium fusion had been produced in a desktop experiment. However, experienced nuclear physicists, using the same experimental setup except for better detection equipment, found no evidence of fusion. By early summer, the bubble burst. "Cold fusion" in 1989? No, "bubble fusion" in 2002, (WN 1 Mar 02) . But like cold fusion, the corpse of bubble fusion keeps twitching. In 2003, Rusi Taleyarkhan, who made the claim, moved from Oak Ridge to Purdue University. There he claimed to confirm fusion. Others found nothing. Last week, citing "extremely serious" concerns, Purdue announced a full review of Taleyarkhan's work.
You see, it's out there Bill. You just have to look for it. You can't learn about the real world by listening to Lifewave. |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 | 10:24 PM
This is part of the Orange County seminar: "How to remove ANY EMOTIONAL BLOCK that holds you back".
I thought they weren't answering any product
questions, but isn't that one of the things that cause the patch to not work?
The sentences just before the list of objectives states "We have the best product in the world. Now it is time to create the incomes to match." None of these statement seem to have anything at all to do with the patch, so the best product in the world is obviously not them...
"How to draw people to your business so they ASK YOU how to join"
"The SECRET TECHNIQUES of effective public speaking"
"The correct POSTURE in recruiting"
"How to MANIFEST your desires with a simple, proven system"
"How to know what PERSONALITY TYPE you are dealing with just by their handshake"
This one however -
"The POWER WORDS that dramatically increase results."
is directly connected with using the patch. But I already know the words... I do believe, I do believe, I do believe |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 | 10:32 PM
CMG,
I want to offer an unsolicited endorsement/testimonial of your offer. And to thank you so very much. I didn't even know you were thinking of my family, but in the last year, NOT ONE MEMBER of my family has been hit by a car!! Or been hurt falling out of a tall building for that matter... Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Nanoman, you should try it, it really works!!! |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 01:36 AM
hcmomof4 said:
"CMG,
I want to offer an unsolicited endorsement/testimonial of your offer. And to thank you so very much. I didn't even know you were thinking of my family, but in the last year, NOT ONE MEMBER of my family has been hit by a car!! Or been hurt falling out of a tall building for that matter... Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
"Nanoman, you should try it, it really works!!!"
Well, I WASN'T thinking about your family originally but I started as soon as I read your posting. I guess I forgot to mention that my amazing mind-enhancing product also works retroactively. In other words, if I start thinking about you AFTER you jump out the window, you will still be protected from injury.
So, Nanoman, what do you have to lose? Why won't you just try my amazing product? Tell you what, I won't even charge you for this protection. All I ask is that when you pick yourself up off the sidewalk, uninjured, you tell all your friends about my amazing product.
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CRITICIZE MY PRODUCT IF YOU WON'T EVEN TRY IT?? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 01:45 AM
Nanoman said:
"Many people still bash acupuncture as well but guess what....it is here to stay as well, just like LW."
Well, that settles that. As we all know, anything that endures MUST be real. You know, like astrology, feng shui and ouija boards. They've been around for a long time, therefore they MUST work.
See, you skeptics, you thought ouija boards were just a harmless toy. Ha! They are actually the portal to the spirit world. We know this because they've been around for a long time. Imagine an amazing thing like that available at Toys 'R' Us for about ten bucks! You just can't argue with logic, can you? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 01:59 AM
Captain Al said:
"The amazing progress of real science and technology has led some to believe that anything is possible right now."
Funny, that comment triggered something in my brain. I don't know if you've seen it, but Earthlink, the Internet company, is running a commercial with the announcer saying, "Do you believe anything is possible?" Every time I see it, I say, "Uh, no, I don't, actually."
I guess the ad is supposed to appeal to people's "openmindedness" but at this moment in human history, no, everything is NOT possible. While it's certainly true that we can do things that weren't even remotely possible not all that long ago, there are still many things simply beyond our capability.
There's a saying about how any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. I think that some of the newer sciences are somewhat beyond the understanding of people who don't read up on them (or who lack the ability to understand what they could read). Sadly, this stuff simply seems like magic to these people, leading them to the notion that any crazy thing just might be possible.
Unfortunately, that isn't true. Pigs can't fly and small plastic patches containing molassas and glycerin can't impart energy to people. Not yet, anyway. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 03:01 AM
Bill Nott said:
"Im sorry ,, but this entire James randi ordeal is completley and utterly bunk and meaningless .. and is made known so by these simple sentences.....
"Mr. Randi's challenge is for paranormal activity. LifeWave is not making any paranormal claims." - Dr. Haltiwanger"
James Randi has made his reason for offering the Million Dollar Prize to LifeWave very clear--at least to anyone who can read simple declaratory sentences.
Putting that aside, what difference does it make? There's a man in Florida offering LifeWave ONE MILLION DOLLARS for simply proving, under controlled conditions, that their product does what they have been loudly proclaiming it does. Prove that your product works as advertised, take his money and call him an old fool. You'd certainly be entitled to do that if you can only demonstrate that your product does what you claim it does.
Since LifeWave can do all these amazing things, what possible reason could you have to not be more than willing to demonstrate them in a manner guaranteed to get you a lot of publicity and garner you a million dollars in the process?
By the way, I don't think it has to be David Schmidt himself who steps up and accepts the Challenge. I think any LifeWave distributor could go for the money. Since there seems to be hundreds, if not thousands, of those, it strikes me as odd that not one of them wants a million dollars. Why, it's almost as if the people involved in LifeWave know that it's a scam. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 07:26 AM
Nanoman
"And you thought that was a worthy reply??!!"
It's about what you are worth.
No more no less.
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 07:47 AM
Nanoman
"And you thought that was a worthy reply??!!"
Just to be sure I've checked my post.
Yes, it sums up my thoughts about you.
"Nanoman, you were absurd before; nothing has changed."
Now, of course, you could surprise us all and do something outstanding like:
Explain why "Studies" being published in Januuary 2006 in well respected journals WERE NOT.
Why no one, yourself included, has not RUSHED to James Randi to take him up on the $1 Million challenge, knowing full well, according to you, that the energy patches work as claimed, assuring your win.
Explain why you continue to treat the general public like complete MORONS expecting them to believe in worthless glucose and glycerin patches that "talk" to you body.
Explain why your greed for more and more money causes you to set aside any crumb of decency, moral values and ethical standards.
Why you persist in your bankrupt line of questions: "Why don't you try the patches?"
etc. etc. etc.
You were once amusing. You have now become irritating.
"Its funny how you always resort to personal attacks."
In your case, it's certainly not FUNNY.
You are neither funny or worthy of being referred to as a person.
Please continue to dig your hole.
Will you have the guts to give your contact details like Jim Caldwell did?
He's willing to put his money where his mouth is.
Now let's see you do the same.
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Nanoman
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 09:29 AM
EDHUK,
Let me try to answer your questions.
"Nanoman, you were absurd before; nothing has changed." - A little harsh considering you don't even know me. You may continue to think LW is absurd but it really doesn't have anything to do with me.
"Now, of course, you could surprise us all and do something outstanding like:
Explain why "Studies" being published in Januuary 2006 in well respected journals WERE NOT. - Studies take time to complete and peer review. The paper process also take long and once they are submitted, the respective journals have control over when they are placing them in there issues. They are coming as was described by previous posts. Be Patient!!
"Why no one, yourself included, has not RUSHED to James Randi to take him up on the $1 Million challenge, knowing full well, according to you, that the energy patches work as claimed, assuring your win." - I have told you already that this site & contest is not for LW. It is for paranormal activity and this does not fit LW which is new science. Plus he would be one of those that would do a study and publish false data against LW just as you have been describing in the previous posts. Thanks for doing all your homework. I appreciate it. You have pointed out the fact that research will always show both sides of the coin. Negative, narrowminded people like you, CMG, Bob,& James would obviously want to conduct study after study until one came that LW patches didn't work and then try to publish it. The difference here is that the studies for LW are being conducted by independent health professionals not furnace salesman, writers, and bashers of progress.
"Explain why you continue to treat the general public like complete MORONS expecting them to believe in worthless glucose and glycerin patches that "talk" to you body." - I don't treat anyone like morons. I simply share the patches with them (yes they actually try them!!), and have them experience the many things that the patches can do for them. The always come back for more.
"Explain why your greed for more and more money causes you to set aside any crumb of decency, moral values and ethical standards." - I don't consider myself greedy money. I am trying to secure a financial future and am enjoying life to the fullest. I am not sure where the moral, values, and ethics of all of this comes in??
"Why you persist in your bankrupt line of questions: "Why don't you try the patches?"
etc. etc. etc. - I have explained this before. All you have to do is try them and you will experience the LW effect. I don't like selling or pushing prodcut on people. Just try it.
"You were once amusing. You have now become irritating." - Progress is always irritating for the narrowminded.
"Will you have the guts to give your contact details like Jim Caldwell did?" - ED, I refuse to give you my name as I have seen before what you do. You sit behind your computer all day doing google searches until you come up with some inside info that you use to smear ones name all around this forum and personally attack them. My name is irrelevant here. This forum is about the LW product. I have put my money where my mouth is and have seen first hand hundreds of people who have thanked me for introducing them to LW and for making a difference in their lives (both health and financial). |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 09:35 AM
Nanoman
"My name is irrelevant here."
CORRECT!
The ONLY TRUE THING YOU HAVE TOLD US...period!
And...one more time...MY NAME IS NOT ED.
DUH
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Bill Nott
in Alaska
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 10:58 AM
Bobby wrote...
Here's an item for your "time will tell" swan song, Bill:
I predict that within the next week a major player in the Lifewave organization will resign from the company.
Watch this space!
Bob
WWSN
Its been 2 weeks Bob.. stil waiting........ |
Concerned
in USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 11:00 AM
"All LIFEWAVE - All The Time"
Bob, you have absolutely lost your mind! This is so sad. |
Nanoman
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 11:14 AM
EDHUK,
Great reply! You really got me this time ED!!
And Bob, Yes I do have credentials but I do not post them on spam forums like this so that you can put stuff on your spam sites and fill peoples junk mail with your spam emails. |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 11:59 AM
Gee, how come I never got any spam mail from here? Or from WWSN? MSN has the easiest filters in the world to get through. Gosh, nobody likes me... |
Concerned
in USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 12:24 PM
Bill Nott, the "key player" Bob Burtis is referring to is William Grand. He is no longer with LifeWave acting as their compliance director. I'm sure he had other responsibilities.
For various reasons people move on. It happens all the time and don't forget there is a new guy in charge (Mike Collins). Perhaps it was part management decision. |
Bill Nott
in Alaska
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 | 01:37 PM
I went to high school with a bob burtis,, you dident go to Norton high did ya Bobby ? I would just fall over dead if that this is the same guy lol |
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