Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
Here is an interesting post from the "Life Wave Healthcare Professionals Forum" regarding the effectiveness of Lifewave patches (unedited):
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"I have been actively promoting the energy patches for about 6 months. For some reason, although their effect is very obvious on demonstration, after people purchase them, most of the time they are dissapointed and in general people do not feel any effect. I am very involoved and explain to the people not to expect immediate boosts etc, I follow them up to make sure the placement is correct etc. I have sold about 50 packages and have only one person who really feels effect and repurchases. I cant explain this but as physicians, our credibility is on the line here and we need to optimize success rates of these patches. I was wondering if any of the physicians have similar experiences and if anyone could either provide an explanation to this phenomena or provide any suggestions."
Dr Ilan Gruenwald
Urologist
Rambam Medical Center
Haifa, Israel
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A portion of the forum moderator's response includes:
"In my experience, only about 15% of people are energetically sensitive enough to feel the real-time energetic shifts from the patches...
Most people will notice the impact only if their systems are stressed to a point that will reveal the "marginal utility" of the patches...so I would recommend the workout test, or have people use it in situations where they normally get stressed or tired at a certain point in their process -- and use that as a baseline for evaluation of patch impact.
As a side note, many people "lose interest" in the patches due to (usually unconsciously) avoiding detoxing and/or confronting repressed/suppressed energies...This is something to consider as well.
In the right context, the patches are VERY POWERFUL."
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The good Dr. Gruenwald then asks:
" what you are saying is totally different than what the company claims the patches do, for example- 20-40% more energy per day for anyone, not only athletes etc. I really think it is important to emphasize what you wrote to me- that only about 15% of people are energetically sensitive enough to feel the real-time energetic shifts from the patches...This means that 85% wont feel anything, and I would say thats a huge difference than what people expect to get when they purchase the patches. Why pay $90 a month for a product that doesnt make you feel more energetic? Lets you finish the day more freshly? And if people need to be more hydrated, maybe only the hydration is the effect?
Do you know of any demonstrations other than muscle/tilt tests that could show people the effect of the patches? Have there been any other studies published exept Nazerans, (which I dont see any connection or relation to their claimed "frequency modulation" effect on the membranes to open up to fat molecules)?"
Dr Gruenwald.
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Expect to see more and more of this type of feedback as the patches spread across the landscape, farther and farther away from the propoganda machine that sets up and reinforces the placebo power of Lifewave.
Bob
WWSN
EDHUK Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 09:06 PM
Bob,
Beautiful post.
A perfect example of how this scam works.
I especially liked the new part about repressed/suppressed energies!
Please don't waste your money on the two DVD "Lifewave Encyclopedia" for $19.95 plus tax and shipping.
It is NOT an encyclopedia by any stretch of the word. The entire double DVD set is nothing but a amateur video recording of their Las Vegas convention featuring the same old faces saying exactly the same old things. I've never seen such a scripted event in my life. Next to David Schmidt, President Bush looks like a gregarious, outgoing, spontaneous, enthusiastic and confident speaker. Schmidt reads off of teleprompters set up at the front of the stage and looks like a frightened schoolboy reading the daily obituaries.
The infamous Dr. Nazeran spends about four minutes on stage simply reading prepared statements taken right off the Lifewave web site. Then he waves goodbye and heads off to the crap tables. He was their ONLY guy that claimed to have completed a real study (bogus as it was).
Perhaps he could have mentioned that fact, discussed his research, and opened the floor to a few questions.
Then again, most of the time more than half of the chairs in the auditorium were empty any way.
Don't get scammed AGAIN by Lifewave - the "Encyclopedia" is a fraud, just like the patches. If you really want to own one, let me know - they gave me a FREE second copy I'd like to get rid off.
Bob
WWSN
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 11:46 PM
Hey, Bob, AKA WWSN1, maybe you should consider donating your extra LifeWave DVD to Randi's library. I'm sure he'd enjoy taking a look at what they're saying these days.
His email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
I had hoped that SOMEWHERE in this "Encyclopedia" there would be some new information, or a better explanation as to how the patches are supposed to work, or more background on David Schmidt, but it's all a rehash of the same old hype along with a parade of New Age fringe health people and a bunch of jocks with testimonials.
Whoever produced and edited the DVDs was a beginner - it looks more like a family reunion (which is pretty much all that it is).
There is one scene where Dr. Haltiwanger gets uncharacteristically emotional as he instructs the people in the audience to not listen to naysayers who try to destroy your dreams and say the patches don't work. I might just post that segment on the WWSN.
The "Gear Guru" does a good job, but he's obviously bought and paid for. He's an effective speaker and he endorses Lifewave, but never really says for or about what - real vague. At the end Schmidt asks the audience if they want to do this again next year (I wouldn't book a plane ticket just yet - I doubt that the company will survive another year) and then brings it all home with details about their contributions towards Katrina relief, they pat each other on the back, and leave feeling pretty darn good about themselves.
Much of the footage is both embarrassing and somewhat painful to watch. So don't bother... ;o)
Bob
WWSN
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 | 12:16 PM
Bob said:
"There is one scene where Dr. Haltiwanger gets uncharacteristically emotional as he instructs the people in the audience to not listen to naysayers who try to destroy your dreams and say the patches don't work. I might just post that segment on the WWSN."
That "dream stealers" crap is classic multi-level rhetoric. That very same term is used by other MLM proponents. Gosh, I thought LifeWave wasn't about the money but all about helping people. Uh huh.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 | 12:48 PM
WWSN1
Bob, your post of the words by Urologist, Dr. Ilan Gruenwald from Israel, illustrates the beauty and the danger of the Internet.
LifeWave, as well as many other scams, is able to expand so rapidly via the Internet. A week on the Internet is like a month, if not longer, by other methods.
A business (or scam) can grow exponentially with apparent ease. Many people are still naive with regard to the Internet. If it's posted it must be true, right?
This Christmas clearly demonstrated people are getting very comfortable with on-line shopping. I imagine it will take a few more years before people get really savvy about sifting through on-line claims. Scams will continue to prosper until people get comfortable with doing their own background checks.
However, just as the Internet can enable companies, scams and all, to prosper in a matter of months, not years, it can also bring information that causes the collapse of said scams.
This forum, and a few dogged posters, keep plugging away, repeating their belief that LifeWave is a scam.
Dr. Gruenwald has experienced a voice in his head saying "What if it IS a scam?"
I imagine a number, an ever increasing number, will be hearing that little voice in the back of their head.
As I stated before, I'm getting to witness my first scam as it comes to an end. You and others like CMG have seen it all before.
Interestingly enough, although they claim the patches cause the body to burn fat for fuel instead of carbohydrates, and some people have said that this results in more calories burned, they will NOT make any official claims about losing weight. Why not? More calories burned, more energy released, faster metabolism = weight loss!
Probably because it would be an easy and obvious claim to prove or disprove.
And we can't have any of THAT now, can we?
Bob
WWSN
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 | 10:23 AM
WWSN1
Bob,
"As a side note, many people "lose interest" in the patches due to (usually unconsciously) avoiding detoxing and/or confronting repressed/suppressed energies...This is something to consider as well."
Perhaps the good doctor Haltiwanger is keeping his fat supplies in a "suppressed" form!
If only he could confront his fat, the patches would work and he would be svelte in no time flat!
Hands up anyone who isn't finally getting the idea that LifeWave LLC is a scam!
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WWSNl Member
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 | 10:24 AM
The Latest WWSN Newsletter
The Lifewave Encyclopedia and Dr. Haltiwanger's Rant
It's been 312 days since Lifewave President and inventor David Schmidt agreed to answer a few due diligence questions regarding the energy enhancement patches he has been selling for more than four years, but nothing much yet. Desperate for answers and information, we sent them $19.95 (plus shipping and handling) to purchase the "Lifewave Encyclopedia", about which we are told:
"In this incredible set, you’ll discover the history and applications of all of Lifewave’s current products, including the LifeWave Energy Enhancers, Rest Quiet, Okalani, and more!"
After all, this was a show for the top Lifewave affiliates featuring the most important people in the company! Surely, they would reveal some of the secrets behind the patches and introduce all of the scientific studies they had promised would be forthcoming at this gala event!
Unfortunately, what we got was the same old names and faces reading from the same old tired scripts in a parade of New Age fringe health advocates, unwary athletes, and Lifewave cheerleaders. The one doctor with any credibility, Dr. Nazeran, spent all of four minutes reading from a prepared text before leaving the auditorium and heading for the blackjack tables, no doubt.
David Schmidt looked nervous and uncomfortable, and appeared to be reading his prepared speech from teleprompters in front of him near the floor. It doesn't matter, because he had nothing new to say, and the half-empty auditorium wasn't paying much attention in any case.
The star of the Lifewave Las Vegas show, though, was Dr. Steven "Howard Dean" Haltiwanger. In the only performance that exhibited any emotion at all, Dr. Steve warned the assembled crowd about "The DreamStealers" (a theme once popular with SkyBiz.com, before they were shut down by the FTC). We think it's an important message:
Dr. Haltiwanger At the Las Vegas Lifewave Show - "There are DreamStealers out there!"
Meanwhile, the Lifewave Healthcare Professionals Forum featured an interesting post from a Urologist and Lifewave affiliate in Israel, who is having trouble marketing the infamous energy patches:
"I have been actively promoting the energy patches for about 6 months. For some reason, although their effect is very obvious on demonstration, after people purchase them, most of the time they are dissapointed and in general people do not feel any effect."
Lifewave Patches In the Real World - "...our credibility is on the line here"
Expect to see more and more of this type of feedback as the patches spread across the landscape, farther and farther away from the corporate propaganda machine that sets up and reinforces the placebo power of Lifewave.
Pabl
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 | 06:42 PM
I will admit that I was wrong (perhaps proving EDHUK hypothesis that I am not a real scientist): Testing the patches are not worth my time, and it is more likely to be a good "Intro to Experimental Design" kind of exercise for some undergrad.
I still think, however, that an organized effort to present the public with the truth about Lafiwave should be made, so that when people google "lifewave", at least they can easily get access to the information.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 | 07:23 PM
Pabl,
Sceptics like WWSN1, CMG, James Randi, and many others, including myself, have posted questions and raised issues on this forum to do exactly what you suggest.
We are attempting to present the general public with the truth about LifeWave.
After giving due thought to the arguments given here, how could anyone with the ability to logically reason not think that LifeWave LLC is a scam MLM Company?
Why have even the most basic and fundamental questions remained unanswered?
Why is there no detailed verifiable information about David Schmidt's scientific background and associated credentials/qualifications?
If I want to learn about ANY reputable person working in the scientific field, doing research, having invented a new product, I can read it without too much trouble.
David Schmidt is INVISIBLE to this kind of simple background check.
Update on Dr. Gruenwald and the Life Wave Healthcare Professionals Forum
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Here is Dr. Gruenwald's most recent posts:
"I demonstrated the patches to the leading goalkeeper coach in Israel, he was very impressed with the demo and felt the effect on the magnetic field immediately on himself. He purchased 4 pkgs on the spot and returned to his trainees to try and see what they do. He was very dissapointed. He expected that at the end of the day he would be able to "squeeze" some more training in them- if they would really not get that fatigued. Didnt work on anybody. And these are all first league, national athletes. He had one player that would do great on the first half and poorly on the second half of the training- tried them on him- nothing. He tried it on himself- didnt work. He tried to see if anybody could produce a stronger kick- nobody could. I really dont know what I can suggest to him- we discussed hydration, that they do not work on everybody, other points (knees, ankles), we discussed that effect may take time etc and he was very patient and motivated to try and get results- but still nothing. Any suggestions? By the way- one of his main complaints was that the patches fell off during the training due to sweating, and we tried all the "tricks" to improve that as well...."
Dr Ilan Gruenwald
Urologist
Rambam Medical Center
Haifa, Israel,
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Could you check the team to see if they are switched?
Dr. David Kamnitzer
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what do you mean by switched? tan on right?
Dr Ilan Gruenwald
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Under "Effective Protocols", check out the thread "Unswitching People".
Dr. David Kamnitzer
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Thank you, read the protocols, this was all new to me and enlightning. Still, I think it would be unreasonable to assume that all the players the coach tried the patches on were switched. I will most probably go and visit his training field soon...
Thanks again!
Sometimes expectations of a "big kick" of energy can be a problem ... I have noticed that a lot of people are not that tuned into their systems, and therefore totally oblivious to changes. I have the strength pull-bars that I sometimes use for before & after tests ... one woman immediately gained 25% more strength with the patches, but because she was not experiencing any huge surge of energy she still insisted she did not feel any different.
Base lines of any sort are helpful ... whether in a workout test, or everyday life. Often people find that they easily do more without tiring in a day while wearing the patches, but don't realize it until a partner or spouse points it out.
Also, re the sports team ... patch placements can be very important, and not only would certain placements work for 1 person, but not the next ... often people think they have the correct placement but are way off. One woman I worked with came in with the patches halfway down her rib cage (thinking it was the correct placement for the lung points), and complaining she felt nothing!
Also, at the risk of being redundant, each player should explore which placement works best for him or her. One high school football player I worked with tried the patches on his forearm and played the worst game ever, felt sluggish, etc. I tested placement for him -- found one that really worked, and when wearing the patches on this other placement did really well.
Also ... check out what the coach feels is good hydration ... often teams drink a gatorade type drink to get hydrated, but this is not the same as water. Water is an important ingredient in the manufacture of ATP from fatty acids, as is certain other minerals/vitamins.
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In other words, there are thousands of reasons and excuses that can be brought into play, should someone claim that the patches did not work for them.
Here is the Lifewave description of how the patches work:
- The pulsating magnetic field above the human body passes through the patches
- The patches have been constructed so as to "Frequency Modulate" (FM) the human magnetic field much in the same way that we transmit information over high frequency radio waves.
- This FM wave is now "transmitted" back to the body by resonant energy transfer
- Once the FM signal reaches the user, the signal comes in contact with the cells in our bodies; this is known as signal induction, and is the process by which various cellular responses occur.
- In this case, the patches are "encoded" with the signal "transport fat to the mitochondria and make ATP"
- Because there is over twice as much ATP (cellular energy) derived from fat as compared with carbohydrates, using fat as an energy source can be beneficial
If I sit in the midst of a group of 5 people standing in a tight circle around me, will my FM radio no longer receive any signal? And does it matter if these five people are properly "hydrated" or not? Of course not. Take 100 people and hogpile them on top of me - my FM radio will still easily pick up local FM signals with no problem. Radio waves pass THROUGH us constantly. This is all nothing but a wide base of excuses that can be implemented as necessary to
"explain" why the patches didn't work THIS time. Or the NEXT time. Or the time after that.
The science is SO transparent and the claims so bogus that it is astonishing that anybody could fall for this crapola. None of the Lifewavers on this forum even attempt to defend Lifewave on the basis of any science, let alone scientific studies.
And that's because it is all phony.
Bob
WWSN
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 01:04 AM
"one woman immediately gained 25% more strength with the patches, but because she was not experiencing any huge surge of energy she still insisted she did not feel any different."
Why, it's ALMOST as if the "increase in energy" was imaginary or something. Nah, that's crazy talk!
I guess it's that "special" kind of energy that you can't sense or measure (except, of course, to "prove" that it's really there, even when the subject doesn't seem to realize it) in any way. Wow, those patches are AMAZING!
EDHUK Member
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 09:49 AM
CMG
"one woman immediately gained 25% more strength with the patches, but because she was not experiencing any huge surge of energy she still insisted she did not feel any different."
I wonder how they decided she had an extra 25% more strength?
Did she lift 125 lbs where before she could only lift 100lbs?
Even if she did lift 125lbs, how did they concluse that it MUST have been the patches that caused the increase?
As with everything else that LifeWave puts out, the information is riddled with problems.
WWSN notes the science is "SO transparent". The problem is that there are many people out there who do not have even the most fundamental understanding of science, experimental design etc.
To these people, the "science" sounds wonderful. They buy the patches believing it must all be true.
Meanwhile we continue to wait for the promised studies.
Four months + and counting.
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WWSNl Member
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 02:14 PM
Guys, perhaps we have too hasty....
Take a look at this MLM product being marketed as the "Harmony Chip".
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The principles upon which the Harmony Chip Technology functions are basically quite simple and, since Einstein's work on the Unified Field Theory, increasingly well known. What no-one else has yet been able to do is to create a commercially viable application of this science.
The laws of physics governing the quantum level are, in many ways, radically different to those governing the everyday world which we see around us. If it were possible to bring about the appropriate changes at the quantum level, which determines the nature of the world at the everyday level then anti-gravity, faster-than-light, perpetual motion and many other science fiction dreams could become everyday reality. Some day we'll get there as well.
As the developing Harmony Chip became able to process finer and finer energy impulses it's field of applications became broader and broader until it has even become extremely effective in ordering the chaotic energy fields of ill and unhappy people. It is this harmonizing which leads to both the body and the mind naturally correcting and repairing themselves.
(Should you wish to express doubt about the existence of human energy fields, I would respectfully point out that, in 1984, Dr. Karlos Riebel from Switzerland won the Nobel Physics Prize for his work in precisely defining and quantifying the human energy fields.)
In the everyday sense of the word, the Harmony Chip doesn't DO anything, i.e. it doesn't seek to impose a given condition upon an existent system. All it really does is to dispose of accumulated trash and, thereby, to ALLOW the system with which it is in contact to express it's own unique optimal function and purpose. It is this methodology whereby a tool (the Harmony Chip) does not have a particular objective but rather trusts that any system from which disturbances and confusion have been removed, will, of itself, improve in a natural way, that gives the Harmony Chip technology the astonishingly broad spectrum of applications partially seen on this website.
The guy who writes the hype for Lifewave must be the same guy who writes this crud. Lots of "quantum physics" and "human energy fields" and the admission that:
"In the everyday sense of the word, the Harmony Chip doesn't DO anything"