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Bill Nott
in Alaska
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 12:02 PM
Stories are often told to make a point, or make a message clear to the reader..... here's a story that's very relevant to this situation....
Once upon a time , there was a self proclaimed " wise man " of a little known African tribe.... Now this " wise man " decided to hold a contest.... he would offer 5 virgin brides and 10 cows ( a fortune indeed ) to who ever could show him proof of powerful magic..... Now it happened that this " wise man " heard rumors of someone who was seen walking in his jungle carrying a device that could steal your soul , and by doing so , make a image of who ever this strange device was pointed at appear on a flat, thin, square object.... powerful magic indeed !!
Now it turns out that this stranger was in fact the inventor of the first ever camera... and as he was traveling through the jungle testing and refining this new technology he had invented.. he was also trying to show others he met along the way , the miracle of what he had created, and try to explain to them the new science behind it.... but as it turned out , there were many followers of the " wise man " that could not grasp this thing the stranger called " new science " and they condemned him for a fool ,, and they screamed , " Take this before the wise man and collect the reward , for we know that this thing you call " new science " can surly not exist... and therefor,, it must be magic !! "
Now this " wise man " also did not believe in " new science " , how absurd !! and so if this device truly did make an image of others on flat thin objects.. surly it must be powerful magic,, and therefor he would allow it to be included into his contest....
The inverter of the camera... although first intrigued by the offer of this contest as a way to show his new technology to the masses, soon realized that he could not possible enter into this event.... for how does one prove a new breakthrough in physical science to those who will only believe in magic ?
So he quickly left the jungle , while those of the village laughed and pointed calling him a fraud , and through their ignorance and pride in their knowledge of what can and can not be... let slip by a real miracle ..... |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 12:59 PM
Bill,
You disappoint me, you really do. I thought you could do better than this. There are more holes in your analogy than Swiss cheese. Talk about grasping at straws.
First of all, the camera was the end result of many years of research and development by many people in the fields of optics, mechanics and chemistry starting with the discovery that silver halide salts are sensitive to light and continuing with the development of how to increase the density and sensitivity of these salts first on glass plates and then plastic film, then the experimenting and developing of chemicals to develop, fix and print the image. It did not appear one day as a Kodak Instamatic. (So where did this camera inventor in your story get his prints developed? At JungleMart?)
Another thing is cameras actually do work and can be proven to work over and over again without mysterious unknown forces and without any interpretation of the end results. Lifewave has yet to do this. When they do you can use them instead of cameras for your example. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 01:25 PM
Actually there is some truth to Bill's story. There really is a "wise man" (James Randi) holding a contest that offers a fortune ($1,000,000) to someone who can show proof of powerful magic (paranormal phenomena).
And there are rumours of a stranger walking through the jungle who has a magic device that can steal, not your soul, but your wallet. He is also trying to show everyone he meets the miracle of what he has invented but unfortunately he cannot prove it and just asks everyone to trust him since he knows more than all the witch doctors in the whole world even though he has never studied witchcraft. In return he will let them sell this device to the other villages via autoship. They will all be rich and won't have to live off bananas and hamburger any more. It's gazelle steaks everyday from now on!
So they all handed over every virgin and cow they had and the man was never seen again.
THE END |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:20 PM
Bill Nott, If there |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:23 PM
DR. STEVEN HALTIWANGER - PART I
I found on the Internet another interesting tidbit about Dr. Haltiwanger and his past. According to his CV posted at http://p2.hostingprod.com/@worldwidescam.com//halti.doc (and I realized that that website is not controlled by Dr. Haltiwanger), one of the good doctor |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:23 PM
DR. STEVEN HALTIWANGER - PART II
According to Mr. Benedict |
Jim Caldwell
in Sherman Oaks, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:30 PM
? Horse study is done and will be published in about 2 months in leading vet journal. 142 horses. 100% of horses displayed improvement. Apparently results are breathtaking. This is a fascinating reality that Lifewave works on anything |
Jim Caldwell
in Sherman Oaks, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:34 PM
Thursday, March 2, 2006
Subject: Here's the latest
Time: 10:26:00 PM PST
Author: futthunder Yes, Delete Entry
Hard to believe it's March already. A lot continues to happen. 15 clinicals done. 2 publised. About 20 more coming. The documentation is building nicely. As the studies get published eyes will be opened wider and wider.
Just had a 4-hour dinner with inventor/CEO David Schmidt last night in Santa Monica. My wife, Donna came with me and a good thing ... because a small "skin product" study was just finished (my wife is very knowledgeable about skin care) and he shared this: It will be a single patch, new patch formula, place it "anywhere" on the body. And here's the amazing thing: there will be 2 topical lotions/creams that feature technology and formulations never before seen or used in any skin care product. Ever. New from France. An exclusive license. Results? Instant (within hours)... in 7 days amazing... in 3 weeks... absolutely unbelieveable. The science is deep and significant... don't ask me to describe it. Can't. But women will be flocking to this en masse when they hear about it.
Think about it... software for the human body. The parallels with MicroSoft are apt. 1 brand. Multiple software applications. Lifewave. 1 brand. Multiple software applications. Sleep. Pain. Energy/strength. Skin. And more coming.
The opportunity is compelling. Elite athletes (long list of collegiate, pro and Olympic athletes are using) and weekend warriors are running toward the Energy Enhancer. Every day people of all stripes are discovering the Rest Quiet (sleep) and all new Ice Wave (pain) products. And here comes the skin rejuvenation product! Which may be the most amazing product yet. Each product category is huge.
So what to do? Buy some patches and try 'em. Become a member (like joing Sam's Club) and get wholesale pricing. Considering that the business opportunity marketing model offers anyone with a desire and committment to establish any level of income over time... in a distribution model where getting positioned early has it's benefits... where if you know people or already have customers you are already positioned to explode a business... well you have something serious here to think over.
Just keep reading and stay tuned while you get plugged in.
I just helped Lifewave,LLC adjust their introductory video... went from 7:40 in length to 9:12... adding 9 testimonials tha I shot last fall... and adjusting the sequence, flow, emphasis, music, etc. Working with one of Lifewave's leading distributors, Rob Styler, who had edited the first version, was a very pleasant experience. Good people.
An infomercial is coming. On pain... featuring Ice Wave. Taking a while to foundationally set up the business that will manage it. I will play a role. Stay tuned.
In a short time the video will stream at my site. I'll let you know when it is ready.
Lot's coming. Very exciting... tip of the iceberg is being seen now. The technology is going to be a cover story on Time Magazine. Mark my words.
Take care and keep in touch.
jim |
Bill Nott
in Alaska
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:35 PM
Al.. the story was not ment to be based on factual events... just to have a moral... and thats that your dead wrong ,, and you will all know it soon enough....time will tell... but you seem to have the need to pick it apart.. because you need to grasp at any negitive thing you can grab.. relevent or not to this situation ( mostley not ) .. but i do have to give you cudos on how you turned the story around.. that was pretty quick  |
Bill Nott
in Alaska
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:39 PM
Jim.. FINALLY some sence being spoken here... im with ya all the way ,, and all these guys here are really in for a shocker.. they just dont know it... but ooohhhhh its going to be sweet when enough truth is revealed to where they will have to bow there heads and except that truth...
wooo hoooooooooo |
Jim Caldwell
in Sherman Oaks, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:41 PM
Studies
In the time I had with David Schmidt and Dr. Haltiwanger it was obvious that there indeed is a large set of studies activity on going as I have previously stated. We didn't discuss all of them because of an over-arching large agendaat our meeting, but here is a partial list. FYI-- once a study is done/finished, it is written up, submitted for publication, accepted (or not) and then published. Lead time on publishing can be 6-8 months after acceptance. That is the frustration as it is better for researcher to NOT discuss until publication... better for marketer to discuss as soon as study is written up. Since this is pioneering research the researcher wants the glory. FTC and FDA do NOT require publication to approve studies.
? A larger HRV (heart rate variability) study has been commissioned as a follow up to 10-person Pilot study already published in Sept 2005, IEEE Engineering and Biology in Medicine Journal by a Dr. Homer Nazeran, PhD, U of Texas (copy available)
? Study on acupuncture meridians and Lifewave's effect is in process. Dr. Reenah McGill, D.O.M., L.Ac. M.AI, research scientist is using the electro-meridian analysis syste (EMAS) to verify the resulting increases in energy (Qi) in the bodies' meridians using the energy patches.
? Sleep Clinicals will be done by Jan 1 (est.). Three anecdotal studies have been done. And are very positive. 100% of participants showed delta wave improvement as measured by EKG. Within 3 days. Some instantly. Two double blind, placebo controlled studies will be finished by Jan 1.
? Three pain clinical studies involving infrared photography are done and over next few months will be written up, submitted, accepted for publication. One is written and is about to be accepted. Total of 130 people participated. These studies led to NCAA approval, even though not published yet.
? Lactic acid clinical in process. One of America's top cyclists is involved as a subject. Will address issue of build up of lactic acid in muscles and subsequent recovery. Lifewave corporate team is quite excited about this study.
? Two work place productivity studies are in process at two large |
Jim Caldwell
in Sherman Oaks, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:52 PM
New website will be up by Nov 1, worst case. Every Lifewave member gets a replicated website whether as a small business or a major influencer with millions of customers. The website to date has been basic... the one coming will be a Lamborghini. My website is www.dolifewave.com which points to www.lifewave.com/jimcaldwell.
Symposium. Inventor is open to doing one for a select group of influencers. But wonders if private meetings might not be just as effective since each influencer holds large potential in terms of high velocity notification to their database. Let me know if you would like to meet with the inventor and what your interest would be.
Trial Pack packaging is done and available for energy and sleep. Very professional. For use to be packed inside a fed ex or UPS shipper. Note USPS seems to be an issue since at some regional postal centers the zapping of a Lifewave shipment with powerful anthrax/WMD detectors can affect the organic material within the patches. Can accomodate product, brochures, DVD's/CD's... has a flat profile.
Size of Individual vis a vis efficacy. Does not matter. Efficacy of patches are tied to health of individual, hydration, toxic levels, length of time using, using as directed... those types of things, not size.
Hair. For those of you blessed with a lot of hair at patch placement points... you can reinforce adhesive with medical tape, ace bandage type reinforcement, or by simply attaching to outerwear (t-shirt, pants, socks, etc). Heat signature of body extends out from the body 2-3 inches. Heat activates patches. You can also shave the small area where the patches are placed. Small price to pay for benefits.
Residual effect. Swimmers in Olympics held the patches in hands (white right, tan left) for a half hour or so before their event... and swam at peak levels still. This avoided any controversy with |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:59 PM
So how did Jim Caldwell get through the spam filter?
Seems odd that Lifewave says it is conducting studies on all these new products but can't afford to do any for their first one.
"Horses had no agenda, did not resist trying the technology "
Of course the horses had no agenda but the humans judging the results certainly may have.
"15 clinicals done. 2 publised"
So where are the 2 published studies?
"Just had a 4-hour dinner with inventor/CEO David Schmidt last night in Santa Monica."
Mr. Schmidt seems to spend a lot of his time doing these promotional things. Where does he find the time to develop all these new products? When I worked in R&D, it was a painfully slow process, making little steps everyday for months on end. I get the impression David Schmidt just comes up with a new idea for something that sounds good and presto! it's done and on the market. Jim, have you asked DS where his advanced nanotechnology research lab is?
"Elite athletes (long list of collegiate, pro and Olympic athletes are using) and weekend warriors are running toward the Energy Enhancer"
We've already decided how good a judge of scientific reality athletes are. Who will promote the new muscle building patch? Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman? How will he do that? He was winning the Mr. Olympia long before Lifewave was dreamed up.
"But women will be flocking to this en masse when they hear about it."
That's a no-brainer. Women have been flocking to every new product that claims to eliminate wrinkles for a hundred years. What happens when they find out it doesn't work any better than all the rest (i.e. not at all)? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:24 PM
"FINALLY some sence being spoken here... im with ya all the way"
Bill, I can't believe you are siding with this person who can't even form a proper sentence or use a spell checker. What grade did he quit school? Yes I know that's proof of a scam but maybe if he's not capable of learning the language he's not capable of accurately judging this "revolutionary" product. He sounds like he's just a businessman who is salivating over a new source of revenue.
He never mentioned if he even used the product either. Instead all we hear about is that it's a great business opportunity. But just because people buy it doesn't mean it works. Everyone knows the entire cosmetics industry is based on this same principle: Make wild claims and they'll buy.
I eagerly await the "shocker" that's coming. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:25 PM
Bill Nott
The key sentence in your post is:
"In any case, we agree to accept it as paranormal for purposes of the challenge, without reservation. --james Randi--"
James Randi is acknowledging that the patches might actually be some kind of, as yet, unknown science. He is, however, happy to accept the challenge.
How many times do you need to read that to realize JAMES RANDI HAS ACCEPTED LIFEWAVE LLC'S PATCH SYSTEM AS A BONA FIDE CHALLENGER FOR THE ONE MILLION DOLLARS..."WITHOUT RESERVATION"
What part of that concept do you not understand?
If you REALLY mean "Hey guys, I've been thinking about these patches and, you know what, they are smoke and mirrors, and there is absolutley NO WAY that I can prove they work" we would all understand and hold you in the highest regard.
So, what's it to be?
Please make me proud.
EDH UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:27 PM
I am amazed that anyone can write the stuff with a straight face...
Just a few of the things that jump out at me: (in no particular order)
From Jim
- "better for marketer to discuss as soon as study is written up." Well, duuuhhh...
- "Horse study is done and will be published in about 2 months in leading vet journal. 142 horses. 100% of horses displayed improvement" Two months from when? Promises of published studies about to be released are getting stale. And 100% success rate? This is truly a miracle product. I don't think anything has ever had positive results on 100% of the subjects.
- "Think about it... software for the human body. The parallels with MicroSoft are apt. " There's been a bit of news about implanting a sub-dural identification chip, but that's about as close to Microsoft technology as it gets currently. I don't know of any software programs that will work on my computer by taping them to the outside of my CPU.
- "Generally anecdotal or test studies are done first" "Anecdotal" is not a study type.
From Bill -
- "Once Lifewave saw what it was getting into .... its very wisely backed out" Hey, this is a true statement...
- "and try to explain to them the new science behind it." Saying "I don't know how it works, but it does." is not explaining new science.
- "and so if this device truly did make an image of others on flat thin objects.. surly it must be powerful magic,," There are cave drawings from way before modern man, so maybe it's the flat thin objects that are the magic? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:39 PM
Jim Caldwell,
Enjoying your copious posts.
First question for you.
"Acupuncturist veterinarian Dr. Lauren DeRock, D.V.M. is ecstatic with her results. It's the first study she's ever submitted, and it was accepted."
In making this statement you have made a grave error in your implication.
You are implying that acceptance of the study by a leading vet journal (which one by the way?)means the study is sound and the results are valid. ergo, LifeWave patches work as claimed.
WRONG. It means nothing of the sort. It DOES mean that the vet journal finds the study of interest and is publishing the work so that other people can examine the findings and attempt to replicate the results.
Presumably, you do not read books, journals, watch tv or listen to the radio or speak to other people.
That must be how you missed out on learning about scientific "breakthroughs" in recent years that were published in well respected scientific journals, only to be found FRAUDULENT at a later date when other REAL scientists were unable to replicate results.
DUH
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EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:48 PM
Jim Caldwell.
"This |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:52 PM
Jim Caldwell
You get funnier the more I read.
"Ethical standards dictate each researcher carries out his/her study(s) to highest standard and practice. This is standard operating procedure."
How have you got the barefaced nerve to use the words ETHICAL in the context of this LifeWave SCAM?
Who the heck are you and which planet have you come from?
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EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:55 PM
Jim Caldwell.
Reference to skin product.
"The science is deep and significant... don't ask me to describe it."
Now where have we read those words before?
DUH3
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