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LifeWave Energy Patches
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Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
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Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm
We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
Category: Health; Replies: 5915 |
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Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 01:33 PM
Did anything in your post actually make sense Lifextreme?
Besides, as a seller of said product we should automatically discount your opinion. It's just common sense. You wouldn't trust a used car salesman would you? |
Lifextreme
in Canada
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 02:10 PM
Obviously we have a member with greater intelligence then us all here, charybdis!! I mean have you done any of your own due diligence and actually did any research on what a Spectravision machine does? Never mind the Lifewave patches for a minute..
Maybe use alittle of your quick reflexes and look into it.
You seem to have nothing good to say other than knock people down!! Just a bit of advice use some courtesy towards others, your charma doesn't rub off well here...
Here is a link to a spectra vision site - http://www.nuvisionsforwellness.com/spectra.cfm
Maybe you want to get a sample of some patches and get a hold of a spectravision machine, and see first hand the results,, come-on charybdis put your money where your mouth is!!!
http://www.life-xtreme.com |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 02:46 PM
You want me to use a device that registers my aura to evaluate a device that enhances my aura?
Where does the chicken blood and shaman rattle come in? |
Pat
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 03:37 PM
Cranky Media Guy wrote
"Pat, what institution gave you your degrees? Is it a real "bricks and mortar" place or mail-order?
Also, do you have any financial interest in the LifeWave patches? That, of course, includes selling them."
Yes, I have legitimate degrees (you can't be an RD with a bogus one - the American Dietetics Association is very strict & very conservative.)
I'm with Dan "Don't knock them until you've tried them" I can't believe these things work either - but they do! I found the greatest effect was after 3 sets of patches, not just the first set - so many poeople who just tried tham once may not have experienced the full effect. I tell you - it is simply mind-blowing! Doing more reps may well be a placebo effect, but no fatigue & soreness after an incredible workout cannot be. Alas! My mind is not that strong!
Actually,the general public will probably be better off with someone like you NOT being on the patches. It could be dangerous!
I have no financial interest in this at all.
By the way, CMG, can you explain to me how a TV or a computer works? Just because we can't understand something or explain it, doesn't mean it's a hoax  |
Pat
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 03:41 PM
(Darn - I wish they had patches to help me type & spell better!) |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 04:13 PM
Well Pat, just because I can't explain how a computer or TV works doesn't mean NOBODY can.
(I sure hope a triple negative doesn't make for a screwed up sentence...) |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 07:59 PM
Lifextreme said:
"I just have to say the product works, don't ask me how i use the product i sell them, anyone that i have shared them with have had positive results."
I refer you to the aforementioned "placebo effect." Have you ever bothered to try any double-blind testing on these devices?
"I have also had the opportunity to view a demonstration with a spectra vision machine with the patches on and off, there was a definite increase in energy when the patches were placed on the people, maybe do some research on a spectravison and get your hands on one and see for your self, the results!! Then you will see the impact this amazing product has on the human body!!"
What is a "spectra vision machine?" Are you claiming that it allows a person to SEE ENERGY? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 08:13 PM
Pat said:
"I'm with Dan "Don't knock them until you've tried them" I can't believe these things work either - but they do!"
What does "work" mean in this case? Have you done any double-blind testing to eliminate the placebo effect?
"I found the greatest effect was after 3 sets of patches, not just the first set - so many poeople who just tried tham once may not have experienced the full effect. I tell you - it is simply mind-blowing! Doing more reps may well be a placebo effect, but no fatigue & soreness after an incredible workout cannot be. Alas! My mind is not that strong!"
Of course fatigue and soreness can be subject to the placebo effect. They are subjective and therefore are difficult to measure objectively.
"Actually,the general public will probably be better off with someone like you NOT being on the patches. It could be dangerous!"
What is this ad hominem attack on me supposed to mean?
"I have no financial interest in this at all."
Thank you for clearing that up. So, you are just an enthusiastic supporter of the patches who has NONE of his income derived from the patches?
"By the way, CMG, can you explain to me how a TV or a computer works? Just because we can't understand something or explain it, doesn't mean it's a hoax"
Whether or not *I* can explain them is irrelevant. The fact is that their operation is well understood by science.
You are correct that it is possible for something not yet understood by science to be functional. In a case like that, however, it would be possible to eliminate possible reasons for their operation by testing. I ask again, have you bothered to try any double-blind testing on the patches to eliminate things like the placebo effect?
I don't have enough information to determine whether the patches are the result of misunderstanding science or deliberate fraud. When I see someone selling something that defies the known laws of physics, however, I DO suspect fraud, I admit.
In any case, the burden of proof is on the person who promotes a product which violates the known laws of physics to demonstrate that their device works. Ball's in your court, I'm afraid. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 08:14 PM
When people begin their comments with their academic qualifications, we tend to think the reason is they feel those qualifications are relevent to the subject and proves they have the knowledge to make a judgement about that subject. Then of course, we ask them how LifeWave patches work and they say they don't have any idea. So then what makes you think we care what you took in university? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 08:21 PM
I have a Cruising Instructor Certificate (expired) from the Canadian Yachting Association and a Private Pilot license and I think LifeWave Energy Patches are baloney (in a polymer shell). |
curious
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 09:47 PM
boy, i just wanted to get an opinion on these patches i've been hearing about. i didn't expect to see such a seething, critical dialog, with insults & name calling. geez, you guys. get a life!
i must say though, the testimonials are compelling, don't you think? do you think these things cause a cosmic placebo effect? maybe the inventor is from another galaxy & it's really the 1st test of major mind control of the human race.
maybe we are all doomed! |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 | 11:03 PM
Or, more likely, lifewave has been sending it's employees to this forum in order to vouch for the effectiveness of lifewave energy patches. They pass themselves off as just regular people with no financial connections, yet look how many random people who have never posted at MOH before have come on and posted here. Usually we only get a huge plethora of new members posting in the same forum when there is a link to it from someplace else. Makes me more then a little suspicious of the people posting here to support lifewave... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 02:42 AM
curious said:
"boy, i just wanted to get an opinion on these patches i've been hearing about. i didn't expect to see such a seething, critical dialog, with insults & name calling. geez, you guys. get a life!"
Well, that just might be because at least some of these people derive income from selling this quackery and don't appreciate seeing it criticized. Have you noticed that none of them seem to be able to explain how the things "work?" Doesn't that strike you as just a wee bit curious, curious?
Ask yourself how such a revolutionary thing, which violates the known laws of physics, was discovered in the first place. I mean, it CAN'T have been by applying some principle of science since they don't conform to any, right? So, I guess they were just a random discovery. Wow, that's a hell of a thing, huh?
"i must say though, the testimonials are compelling, don't you think?"
No, I do not think they are "compelling." After all, many people vouch for feng shui, astrology, Uri Geller, the magical powers of crystals, etc. Are the testimonials in favor of all those things "proof" that they work? If not, why not?
Think of any "magical" thing you happen to think is hooey. Now go Google for it and see if you can't find equallly "compelling" testimonials in favor of it.
"do you think these things cause a cosmic placebo effect?"
That, of course, is a red herring. It doesn't require a "cosmic" placebo effect to get some suckers to believe in the amazing power of patches.
I was married to a hospital pharmacy director for eleven years and I can tell you for a fact that hospital pharmacies stock placebos in various forms for doctors to prescribe for patients who demand medicine when it isn't warranted. Is there a "cosmic" placebo effect in action there or is there merely one on the part of the individual patients?
"maybe the inventor is from another galaxy & it's really the 1st test of major mind control of the human race."
Or, more likely, it's merely the most recent manifestation of a phenomenon that has existed since the dawn of civilization: quack medicine.
Ever heard of Lydia Pinkham's Tonic or "magnetic tractors" (to name just two of the quack medical items from early America)? Ain't nothing new about quackery. |
Waver
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 01:53 PM
Wow, two whole days without being called a quack. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 03:14 PM
Quack. |
Waver
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 03:46 PM
Thank you Al, I feel better now. |
Mark-N-Isa
in Midwest USA
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 | 07:54 PM
If they're paid to promote it they are a "schill"
If they promote it for free... they are a "tool."
Either way... they're definately "full of shit."
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Spenblu
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 | 08:59 PM
I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE PERSON ON THIS SITE THAT HAS TRIED THE PATCH AND SAID IT DOES NOT WORK. Those fo you who have used it and liked it are waiting your time talking to these guys who point fingers because they have nothing better to do. No one is asking for anyones life savings, if you're curious, try it once and if you don't like move one, or you can come back here and get a group hug from the finger pointers. If it does work, don't waste your time coming back to say so, because they will always find something to complain about. PLACEBO EFFECT!!! |
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 | 04:01 AM
PLACEBO EFFECT!!!
Indeed. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 | 04:41 AM
Splenblu said:
"I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE PERSON ON THIS SITE THAT HAS TRIED THE PATCH AND SAID IT DOES NOT WORK. Those fo you who have used it and liked it are waiting your time talking to these guys who point fingers because they have nothing better to do. No one is asking for anyones life savings, if you're curious, try it once and if you don't like move one, or you can come back here and get a group hug from the finger pointers. If it does work, don't waste your time coming back to say so, because they will always find something to complain about. PLACEBO EFFECT!!!"
That's right--everyone should waste money on this crap and make the quacks who sell it rich. Gee, what could be fairer than that?
Hey, I have an idea for you: why don't you tell your patch-making friends to apply for the JREF Million Dollar Prize (randi.org)? If those phony things work, they'd be a MILLION DOLLARS richer. Then you wouldn't have to try to amass a fortune by nickle-and-diming the gullible.
By the way, I haven't seen anyone on this site say that they rubbed manure on their head and found that it DIDN'T cure headaches, either. I guess that PROVES that it does, huh? Your "logic" fascinates me. |
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