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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
Category: Health; Replies: 5899

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WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 07:41 PM
If Lifewave patches really used "nanotechnology" and actually worked the way David Schmidt claims:

1. They would be worth BILLIONS of dollars and there would be no need to push market them through an MLM pyramid scheme.

2. David Schmidt would be awarded several Nobel Prizes in the fields of medicine and physics. The claims he makes for the pseudoscience he describes as being responsible for the miraculous effects of Lifewave patches is beyond the capabilities of any known science in the world today, including quantum physics.

Everything about the company, the people, the founder, and all of the New Age alternative medicine quack doctors and therapists is a total fraud. It is the ultimate placebo product.
Pat
in Aus
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 08:28 PM
I have to suppose that some of you will want to slap me when I say I am not going to relay any of this info to my companions who have purchased these patches. They are solidly convinced and can afford to pay.
I did calmly try to tell one lady what you have been telling me but she just changed the subject...I never would have thought HER ears were painted on. She seems to be on every mailing list known to man for all the get rich schemes or the ones promising a cheque for thousands of dollars can all be hers if she responds to them. She is normally the one who warns me about scams but...
WWSN
Member
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 09:18 AM
Believe me, Pat, we know what you're going through.

These people think that THEY are the enlightened ones and their New Age MLM religion requires them to avoid any confrontations with the truth, genuine science, or legitimate research.

Not because THEY are close-minded, of course. They are superior in intelligence and awareness - they know things that us small brains simply cannot understand or comprehend. David Schmidt is not a charlatan - he is a guru! We are Stone Age non-believers.

I believe in some wild stuff, such as probable selves, the holographic universe, and the idea that we create our own reality. Here is a web site in progress that I am working on that discusses some of these concepts:

RiverofDreams.net

The difference between these ideas and what David Schmidt is trying to sell us is that the concepts discussed on MY web site are all based on genuine science and modern quantum physics (along with philosophy).

I am not interested in stopping scientific innovation - I am interested in the integrity of the process. Lifewave bastardizes real science, preys upon forward-thinking people of good faith, and betrays their good intentions, spirit and trust.
WWSN
Member
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 09:21 AM
That link did not set-up right....

RiverofDreams.net

This one should work right.
Pat
in Aus
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 10:23 PM
Well that was fascinating. Could almost get my head around the holographic universe and creationism but not enough to have an opinion.

Probable selves is something which would interest me greatly though. That opened up a huge box for me in the areas of multiple personalities, schizophrenia and false memory syndrome.

Googling these led me to my wild stuff, global warming. In my extended family and friends circle this is a topic I dare not broach at the dinner table as I am beaten down constantly by the logic of people who have just been caught in a recent rain shower and who can now water their gardens freely again. They have already forgotten the past ten years of drought.
WWSN
Member
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 10:44 PM
Thanks for taking a look at my philosophical web site project. It's fundamentally aimed at a merger of modern science and religion. And I don't mean to go off-topic or change the focus of this message thread. I simply wanted to demonstrate that I know something about modern physics and science and my problem with Lifewave and David Schmidt has nothing to do thinking the world is still flat or refusing to accept new ideas. However, I truly resent the way that Lifewave bastardizes science to sell worthless placebo patches.

Their slogan these days is:

"...you'll learn how to do well while you do good!"

But much like every other classic MLM pyramid scheme, only the top 5% of the people ever make any significant money and it all comes right out of the pockets of the bottom 95% of the affiliates.

And they do NO good - their entire product line is a snake oil fraud from start to finish.
Pat
in Aus
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 12:01 AM
Sorry also to stray:) Fascinating stuff though.

The people at the bottom of the barrel get hooked then can't get out for some reason? Do they need to keep going to recoup their losses if any or do they seriously think they will get in to the top 5 level (as if that is an honor!!?? Combination of both with a little greed thrown in?

I remember a relative being caught up in a scheme once but can't for the life of me remember if it was Amway or another...I never understood why they felt obligated to continue on with it or why they felt no shame when continuously trying to hook family and friends in as well. It must surely be humiliating at best!
Lifewave slogan: 'you'll learn how to do well while you do good' translated could mean 'you better get good at selling this product fast if you want to make any money out of it'.
Pat
in Aus
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 12:20 AM
Forgot to say there is a big Lifewave gathering planned in my home city soon. I wasn't really paying much attention but I remember even the member who demonstrated the patches wasn't going to attend...but she mentioned it...and no patches would supposedly be sold on the night. That would be to get people curious and for the company name to become familiar perhaps? Also to recruit new members.
WWSN
Member
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 01:10 PM
Someone must be monitoring these posts back at Lifewave HQ. Check out their latest e-mail blast:

Overcoming Skepticism

Throughout history, experts have derided the inventions of their innovator contemporaries. Consider this classic example:

When Wilbur and Orville Wright reported that they had built and flown a heavier than air flying machine, their claims were rejected and dismissed as a hoax by major newspapers, experts in the fields of engineering and mathematics, and the magazine Scientific American. Only after facing years of public skepticism
WWSN
Member
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 01:24 PM
What an unmitigated bunch of nonsense!

David Schmidt is no Orville Wright. There is no comparison between Lifewave placebo patches and heavier than air flying machines. I told you in a previous post that Lifewave and similar New Age scams try to dismiss critics by labeling them as flat earth believers who are unwilling to accept innovation and change.

"Innovative development"? If it's so innovative why did the United States Patent Office refuse to give Schmidt a patent for his "invention"?

"Remember that we have more than 40 clinical studies supporting our technology."

And each of them has been orchestrated by quack doctors, veterinarians, naturopaths, gym coaches, former TV blonde bimbos, and homeopaths to prove claims made in advance. There is not ONE single independent double blind placebo-controlled study that has ever been done on Lifewave patches.

"Suzanne Somers, one of the foremost health advocates in the United States..."

On what basis has Suzanne Somers been declared "one of the foremost health advocates in the United States"? And by whom?

Nobody - she's a nut job and she's a perfect choice for the Lifewave company ambassador. She has zero credibility, just like Dr. David Schmidt.

"So, the best way to approach a skeptic is to have them try the product, without risk, and see that it works."

No, the best way to approach a skeptic is with genuine independent placebo-controlled double blind research, peer reviewed publications, and a United States patent. Lifewave has none of these and never will.

LifewaveScam.com
Pat
in Australia
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 05:35 PM
As we have discussed, if it works so well, it would be more readily available at an affordable price and Lifewave wouldn't need to use terms such as "we believe" our product works, they would be able to use words such as "we know" this stuff works.
The lady I know who uses and sells this product said she had diarrhoea for the first two weeks so this was her proof. She was surprised to discover she had lost weight as she hadn't even been wearing the weight loss patch. I think if I had pumped myself up with adrenaline and high hopes I would have lost weight in that way also. Maybe she simply had no money left in the family budget for food after spending it all on the patches or was drinking WAY too much WATER! That's another good way to get the diarrhoa happening. I will ask her.

Amongst the Lifewave literature I have here there are 4 pages of printout stating that we all need Glutathione, Carnosine and why we need them. They also quote what dozens of doctors have said about this over the years but none of these doctors are saying where to get a top up. Some of the quotes are from 1983! They are meant to look like endorsements but are just quotes stolen from some old medical journals.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 07:37 PM
Bob, I agree with all of your post except:

"...and a United States patent."

My understanding is that a Patent doesn't prove that an invention works as advertised.

The Patent is granted to a novel invention that is a first in its field or maybe an innovative change to an old Patented device.

This article talks about the "anti gravity" patent:

http://www.richardhouriganinc.com/non-chemical_devices.html

Schmidt used to bandy the word "novel" around quite a bit, as you will remember.

Apparently his band aids with glucose (brown patch) and glycerin (white patch) wasn't regarded as novel enough!

Schmidt is about to have a conference in Paris, France. I wonder how many newbies will be excited by the prospect of making the big Francs?
WWSN
Member
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 08:08 PM
You're absolutely right - acquiring a patent doesn't require that one prove it actually works.

And while the process may be tedious and expensive (with lawyers and documentation) the bar for getting a patent actually seems pretty low. Dr. Schmidt filed a patent application - which I believe cost him all of $75 - just so he could say "patent pending". It makes one wonder why they wouldn't give him a patent. How BAD was his "invention" that the Patent Office refused to grant him one?

If the patches work as claimed, he SHOULD have a patent because the patches would be worth BILLIONS. Without a patent any third grade science teacher could reverse engineer the patches in-between classes and market some of his own.

All it would take would be a few band aids, some molasses and glycerin, and a complete lack of ethics, integrity, and morals...
Pat
in Aus
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 08:18 PM
Haven't been able to find any info for upcoming seminars in Australia on the net...must be by invitation only...

The only information I can find on the manager of Lifewave in Australia (Margaret Preece) is she lives in the Sydney area, has no credentials and can not be contacted any way other than by providing my email address. She doesn't have an office anywhere. She must be managing the company from her dining table. Harsh way to treat the manager.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 06:49 AM
Pat,

As you know, Australia is one of the few countries to hold LifeWave accountable for "false and misleading" advertising.

This used to be LifeWave-Australia.com:

http://www.lifewave-australia.com/

There are many more deleted web sites. The distributors didn't want to chance getting fined.

Demonstrations and seminars have been going on in Australia for a few years.

Here's one in 2008 with one person signed up to attend:

http://lifewaveaustralia.eventsbot.com/

"If you are in Pain, come and get Instant Relief through the amazing Lifewave patches.
Learn about how the body heals itself."

I could imagine how someone like yourself might be tempted to give it a try.

Here's an event from last year:

http://patched4life.eventsbot.com/

Here's your buddy Margaret Preece:

http://au.linkedin.com/pub/margaret-preece/16/149/294

"Lifewave is so new that it is a privillage to be able to educate people on this new Nano Technology."

Poor Margaret is describing the patches as "so new" when in fact they have been around for 6+ years now.

"A frequency device in the form of a patch helps with weight loss, pain control or elimination, increased stamina and reversing of the ageing process."

Perhaps Margaret isn't aware of all the other versions of how the patches are supposed to work. Looks like she's describing out dated info.

I guess "important" seminars make it to the Australian LifeWave Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/LifeWave-Australia/145821748784318

October 2010...Very current!

Are you having fun yet Pat?

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 09:41 AM
REMEMBER LIFEWAVE'S CLAIM THAT ITS PATCHES ARE GOOD SHIELDS AGAINST RADIATION EXPOSURE?

"DefenseWave helps protect the cells from exposure to radioactive substances"
http://lifewavenc.com/pdf/DWBrochure.pdf

That claim was made jointly by con man David Schmidt and either fellow con man or dumb schmuck (take your pick) retired General Teddy G. Allen, who after years of trying has apparently failed to make a single sale to the military. See http://lifewavenc.com/ > Company Tab > Leadership link.

Oddly enough, we haven't heard anything about Lifewave making a huge sale to the Japanese government to protect the workers at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor from radiation exposure.

Nor do you hear about Schmidt traveling to Japan to even try to make that huge, high profile sale.

The meltdown would seem like a perfect opportunity for David Schmidt to showcase his miracle patches that do everything from protecting against radiation poisoning to helping you lose weight, to curing childhood autism, to cleaning your tarnished silverware.

Just think: All those people in Japan who have been evacuated from the area around the plant could go back to their homes and their daily lives if they would just wear David Schmidt's magic DefenseWave anti-radiation patches.

Better yet, David Schmidt and Teddy Allen could spend a week in the area of the evacuation zone closest to the damaged nuclear plant, wearing their patches for protection and having a camera crew follow them around everywhere they go. It would be the perfect marketing opportunity.

Forget potassium iodine tablets. Sales of Lifewave patches would go through the roof after that convincing demo.

Can anybody from Lifewave explain why this hasn't happened yet?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 02:48 PM
Joel,

I also liked their claim that the patches could prevent hearing loss.

As you know, many of us surmised they meant by sticking them in your ears.

Was it white in the left ear and brown in the right or the other way around?

Can it really get any dumber?

Don't answer that!

Dave
jayessell
Member
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 04:56 PM
This may be in the wrong forum but it is anti-Woo.
"Storm" by skeptic/comedian Tim Minchin, animated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

If it doesn't belong here, please post in the anti-homeopathic channel.

See also http://www.stormmovie.net
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 05:16 PM
I'm lucky enough to know both the director/animator and the producer of that movie. And I've seen Tim Minchin live.

All because of something posted in this thread years ago...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 05:43 PM
OK Guys and Pat in Australia.

While we have a current flush if interest in this old scam.

How the patches work:

http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/Australian-Lifewave-Patches


"Lifewave Patches communicate with the body through the human electromagnetic field. This is known as resonant energy transfer. It
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