Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
Dave @ EDHUK said: Captain Al,
Sarum in Az gave us their word that "they DO work". That should be good enough for us and anyone, right?
Dave, how many times have we been told "they DO work" despite the physical impossibility of it? It's like these people think the laws of the universe have changed just because they have a problem that needs to be solved.
Accipiter
in the Northern Hemisphere, unless They have lied. Member
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 | 02:07 PM
Having worked closely with a number of Navy SEALs, I can assure you that their officers are highly suggestible, when they think that whomever is giving the suggestions have the authority to do so. Their enlisted men are a lot more free-thinking. I'm not sure what they do in their officer training, but in a way they sort of. . .well, almost brainwash them. Which made working with their enlisted men a real pleasure, but working with their officers a real chore.
Joel Member
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 | 02:28 PM
Good point, Accipiter.
Military men are taught to accept, incorporate, and follow orders from authority figures. You can't really have an effective military if its members second guess their orders.
Perhaps the image of David Schmidt wearing a white lab coat and goggles to prevent sugar from the brown patches from splashing into his eyes, and peering through a light microscope to watch atomic scale nanotechnology FM antennas furiously balancing the body's own energy field (or was it, pressing down on an accupressure point by a bead?), was, for Sarum's husband, quite authoritative and convincing.
I know it made a believer out of me.
picklebutt
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 01:48 AM
Don't know what's in 'em but do know they work. Apparently there is much healing to be had from common household items. Here is a doctor in Italy curing cancer with baking soda.
Since you didn't bother to carry out even the simplest due diligence on your Italian Doctor, read this:
"Cancer Quack "Dr."Tullio Simoncini claims that all cancers are fungal colonies.
It might be worth mentioning upfront that his license to practice medicine has been withdrawn, and in 2006 he was convicted by an Italian judge for wrongful death and swindling."
The precursor to the Lifewave Patch may well have been the microchip technology implanted in the chests of Navy Seals to enhance their chi - dissolvable mind you, all the way back in the 1960's.
Fragging anyone?
Joel Member
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 06:20 PM
Is this a Lifewave themed Halloween costume?
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Joel Member
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 06:21 PM
Try that again:
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Joel Member
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 06:25 PM
One more time before I give up:
If it doesn't work this time, then see the photo yourself at .
Joel Member
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 06:32 PM
Whether that's a Halloween costume or not, it's very scary indeed.
Someday her child will ask her, "Mommy, why did you let somebody post a photograph of you on the Internet wearing condoms taped to your head?"
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 09:47 PM
LW Lover said: The precursor to the Lifewave Patch may well have been the microchip technology implanted in the chests of Navy Seals to enhance their chi - dissolvable mind you, all the way back in the 1960's.
Fragging anyone?
A dissolvable microchip? in the 1960's? Enhanced Chi? I think LW Lover has been watching too many spy movies. Let me guess. Your spouse is a Navy SEAL, trained to resist placebos and enemy interrogation.
Joel Member
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 | 07:01 PM
On the subject of whether military men are trained to resist the placebo effect:
By some accounts, it was an Army nurse that invented the placebo when she gave it to a wounded soldier:
The roots of the placebo problem can be traced to a lie told by an Army nurse during World War II as Allied forces stormed the beaches of southern Italy. The nurse was assisting an anesthetist named Henry Beecher, who was tending to US troops under heavy German bombardment. When the morphine supply ran low, the nurse assured a wounded soldier that he was getting a shot of potent painkiller, though her syringe contained only salt water. Amazingly, the bogus injection relieved the soldier's agony and prevented the onset of shock.
Oddly, my link to that article in Wired magazine was "blacklisted" by this forum. No matter, you can search for that story yourself and find it in many places on the Internet.
There was an episode of M*A*S*H in which the 4077th ran out of morphine. The doctors decided to administer placebos instead and tell the soldiers that they were getting real pain medicine. The result, as I recall: Virtually every soldier felt a significant reduction in pain. Yeah, I know, that's only TV, so it says nothing.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 | 03:46 PM
Joel,
As you know, we've discussed placebo effect many times on this thread.
Back in the day, I witnessed it first hand when a man was admitted to a hospital bed claiming he was passing a kidney stone. He was in great pain, according to his moans and cries of agony.
The senior nurse became suspicious and on one occasion gave the patient a saline injection in place of the expected pain killer.
Within minutes the patient was resting peacefully.
It came to light that the patient was a pro at touring the country and admitting himself to hospitals. He had been diagnosed with Munchausen syndrome.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 | 05:30 PM
"Suzanne shares the visions of eight doctors who say they are curing cancer using non-drug methods."
PEOPLE WHO POST LIFEWAVE TESTIMONIALS ON THIS FORUM ARE NOW REQUIRED BY LAW TO DISCLOSE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH LIFEWAVE
In October, the Federal Trade Commission issued new regulations regarding the use of testimonials and endorsements used to sell products and services. FTC Publishes Final Guides Governing Endorsements, Testimonials: Changes Affect Testimonial Advertisements, Bloggers, Celebrity Endorsements, http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm, October 5, 2009, FTC File No. P034520. Some of the highlights:
1. [B]loggers who make an endorsement must disclose the material connections they share with the seller of the product or service.” (Ibid.)
2. Under the old FTC rules, it was sufficient for a company that relies on testimonials in its advertising to state “results not typical” or the like. Under the new rules, however, “advertisements that feature a consumer and convey his or her experience with a product or service as typical when that is not the case will be required to clearly disclose the results that consumers can generally expect.” (Ibid.)
3. “The bottom line is that social marketing (this includes sponsored advertising used by bloggers, viral marketers, word-of-mouth enthusiasts, and user-generated content) is now regulated. State attorneys general can apply the Guides under state laws that involve deceptive and unfair advertising. Plaintiffs' lawyers can use the Guides in consumer class action litigation.” http://legaledge.bna.com/Pagemanager.aspx?pageId=9035
The FTC’s press release seems pretty clearly to state that anybody who posts a testimonial about Lifewave on this or any other forum and has any relationship whatsoever with Lifewave, must clearly state that relationship (i.e., whether they are a distributor, or have been paid to make the post, or maybe even that the poster’s brother-in-law is a distributor). If you don’t make the required disclosure, you and Lifewave can be sued, including by class action lawyers.
Kudos to the FTC for these new regs. Let’s hope they actually enforce them.
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