Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
"They have a 30 day guarantee. I would assume if you don't like it or you don't think it works, then you can return it."
You might assume wrong.
If you had read this thread you would have seen a post from someone who tried to get her money back.
She had to work with her credit card company in the end to get her money.
LifeWave did not honor the guarantee.
The homeopathic additions to the "product" range have been fairly recent.
David Schmidt didn't want to miss out on the chance of making an extra buck from this area.
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hcmomof4
in So. Cal. Member
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 | 10:42 AM
To paraphrase Tim Minchin, "You know what a homeopathic remedy that works is called? Medicine."...
hcmomof4
in So. Cal. Member
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 | 10:44 AM
Actually, let me edit that a tiny bit, I kinda left out a whole lot in the paraphrasing. It should have been... "You know what a homeopathic remedy that has been proven to work in scientific double-blind studies is called?"
Joel Member
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 | 07:44 PM
I should clarify my last post by saying that the words that I attributed to David Schmidt in the conference call, although I placed them in quotations marks, were not a direct quote. Rather, that was what I believe to be a fair summary of what Schmidt said.
MaLuisa
in Australia
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 | 01:47 PM
Lifewave patches have been FDA approved in Australia as personal use Acupuncture units, medical device 1. It seems that this is contrary to anything 'nanotechnology' and a patch is not an acupuncture unit. I did not know that acupuncture was a unit.
The claim is that since you attach a small ball to the inside of the patch and then apply it to an acupressure point and leave it on it;s an accupuncture medical device which is non invasive.
People swear it works.
My theory is that by appling pressure to an acupressure point as they do in old school it gives a person relief from what ever is wrong with them. You would have to be a trained acupuncture specialist to know all the correct point. Anyhow if you try some of the point that are given to you by Lifewave for pain say and apply a small ball with any bandaide to hold it on the acupuncture point you get the same result???
Has anyone tried this? So why do you need to spend big bucks on these patches?
AmosMoses
in Katrinaville
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 | 02:50 PM
MaLuisa Down Under-
You are correct. These "patches" are nothing more than duct tape. Well, they are significantly LESS than duct tape, and most assuredly nothing more.
Ever try to fix a busted radiator hose with "Lifewave Patches"?
EDHUK Member
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 | 05:09 PM
MaLuisa,
"Lifewave patches have been FDA approved in Australia as personal use Acupuncture units..."
I'd be interested to see that link as I thought the FDA was an American agency.
LifeWave has had FDA Class 1 approval for some years. ANYONE can get Class 1 approval for their "device".
Band aids etc. = Class 1 device.
Hardly earth shattering inventions.
In Australia, LifeWave has been BUSTED by a regulatory body for "false and misleading advertising".
As we know all too well on this forum, LifeWave has been unable to produce one single study that proves efficacy of their patches...not one.
Australia came to the same conclusion.
Maybe the USA will finally wake up and acknowledge what a SCAM LifeWave really is.
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EDHUK Member
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 | 05:14 PM
This website appears to clarify the Australian position:
Thanks for that very interesting information. Yes, here is Lifewave's newest explanation:
"The LifeWave Energy Enhancer is intended to provide mild and temporary stimulation of accupressure points resulting in improved energy flow. The device is an adhesive patch that is non transdermal and contains an inbuilt bead. When the patch is applied to a pressure point it temporarily provides a mild and temporary stimulation resulting in improved energy flow." (emphases added)
That's it, folks. Lifewave has told the Australian government in an official filing that ALL of their stupid patches are nothing more than band-aids with little beads built in them. Lifewave provides the exact same explanation to the Australian government for how all of their anti-aging, pain relieving, anti-snoring, better sleeping, weight loss appetite suppressing, autism treating, energy giving, strength increasing, and fat burning patches work. And of course, "improved energy flow" is transparently new age woo-woo B.S.
There's obviously no need for anyone to buy their stupid expensive patches. Just get beads and Band Aids or adhesive tape and make your own.
I guess that Lifewave thinks that adding little beads to their stupid patches will help them overcome this major problem that they had from the Australian government, which concluded that in response to inquiries from the government, Lifewave had failed to produce one shred of evidence that their stupid patches actually do anything.
Through resonance, or frequency modulation, there is a way of affecting the body's energy field to give signals to perform certain healthful functions.
The patch, which is placed on certain acupuncture points on the surface of the body, will actually act like needle-less acupuncture with some incredible added benefits."
It appears that Dr. DeRock hasn't caught up with Schmidt's latest Australian version of the patch using a tiny bead under the patch.
"The LifeWave Energy Enhancer is intended to provide mild and temporary stimulation of accupressure points resulting in improved energy flow.
The device is an adhesive patch that is non transdermal and contains an inbuilt bead. When the patch is applied to a pressure point it temporarily provides a mild and temporary stimulation resulting in improved energy flow."
"This company had some growing pains and some glitches at first, but now we are going strong, have much better management and the website is excellent and works.
So if you are new to the concept, or just got discouraged with all the growing pains, get in touch with me, come on in and lets see if we can work together to provide a sustainable income for you."
Whoa Dr. DeRock, that's all sounding a little REAL!
Careful, don't want to break the illusion upon which the SCAM is based.
Poor Dr. DeRock. She's as delusional now as she was when she wrote her infamous horse study.
All very sad.
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PainReliefBetterSleepandMoreEnergy
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 | 06:11 PM
Amen Veronica. Hey Freaky-Deaks, why don't you bunch of complete idiots get lives and knock off the profuse crap that's spewing from your tiny little brains. Heaven forbid someone should actually try to achieve something in their lives, which has obviously caused malicious jealousy in each of you.
The reality is, the stuff works. So who cares how it makes it into the public realm as a product? If it works, it works. That's all. So don't go away mad, just go away.
Joel Member
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 | 09:08 AM
Hey PainReliefBetterSleepandMoreEnergy:
"The reality is, the stuff works."
Are you saying that these patches do everything that David Schmidt says they do by any effect other than the placebo effect? If so, on what are you basing your conclusions?
Qualified knowledge of the supposed "technology"? If so, what are your qualifications to judge the "technology," and which of the 5 or 6 different vastly different technological explanations that David Schmidt has asserted over the years are you saying you agree with?
Are you basing it on any of the 30 or so double blind placebo controlled studies that Lifewave told people years ago had been conducted and would soon be published in peer-reviewed journals, but not one of which has ever actually been published in such a journal?
Are you basing it on watching David Schmidt perform his "muscle testing" parlor trick?
Are you basing it on your agreement with a previous poster here on this forum who said in effect, "People who use the patches get headaches and nausea using the patches, so the patches MUST be detoxifying their bodies exactly as advertised because there is no other possible explanation?"
Do tell, oh wise one.
sarum
in az
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 | 08:52 PM
Wow. Are you all a bunch of healthy people with lots of time to spare?
My husband who has diabetic neuropathy which is not neuropathy and therefore cannot fit a code to be treated by the doctors has been walking around on wooden stumps for feet and legs - at least that is what it looks like. We have been seeking an answer for years and have done all the things we can figure out to ease his pain like make sure he has no aspartame in anything he ingests, cooking from scratch to eliminate chemicals, MSG or anything in the food that could be causing his symptoms
Whatever . . . . he got introduced to the patches this weekend. As a former Navy Seal and POW I would not consider him highly suggestible. They put the patches on his pants and in a few short minutes he could actually wiggle his toes. It no longer hurts to watch him walk. It no longer hurts him to walk. It has been 3 days and the effects are wearing off. We have absolutely no understanding of how they work but he wants those patches and I have seen the results so although bucks are really really tight I think the expense is justified. I don't have to understand how everything works.
But they DO work.
Don't you have someone in your life who is suffering? Buy them a box of the patches and find out what they think of them. Then come post.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 | 08:31 AM
"But they DO work."
Proof enough.
Rush out and buy them folks.
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 | 11:21 AM
sarum said: As a former Navy Seal and POW I would not consider him highly suggestible.
Please explain how being a Navy Seal or a POW makes one immune from the placebo effect. Do Navy Seals get baloney detection training? Try a simple experiment on your own. After the patches "wear out", secretly switch new ones with old ones and see if your husband still gets any benefit.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 | 12:54 PM
Captain Al,
Sarum in Az gave us their word that "they DO work".
That should be good enough for us and anyone, right?
Sarum
in az
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 | 03:45 PM
Nope. Generally they are not highly suggestible and you can't hypnotize most of them either. You have to demonstrate a certain aptitude to be chosen and then you must have a strong sound mind to succeed and remember they are highly trained for the event they are captured and tortured. This is OT and this is not the place to teach you respect for that which you are ignorant of. I doubt anybody's word would be considered worth anything to anyone here. Your have demonstrated your purpose and your caliber. Goodbye.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 | 05:22 PM
"Your have demonstrated your purpose..."
Aah, the good old conspiracy rears its ugly head yet again.
"Generally they are not highly suggestible..."
Therefore, generally, they are somewhat suggestible, right?
"...you can't hypnotize most of them..."
Logically meaning you CAN hypnotize some of them, however, what has that to do with the placebo effect?
"...they are highly trained for the event they are captured and tortured."
Well, we've seen the patches compared to many things, but, torture is a first!
"I doubt anybody's word would be considered worth anything to anyone here."
Funny, I thought I had just posted that your word was good, just as you stated.
So, in summation, what exactly have you brought to the discussion on LifeWave patches?
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 | 07:54 PM
Sarum said: you can't hypnotize most of them
I would think you can't hypnotize anyone who doesn't want to be hypnotized and as EDHUK pointed out, this is unrelated to the placebo effect anyway so that that particular claim is irrelevant.
this is not the place to teach you respect for that which you are ignorant of
This is the perfect place to teach you that which you are ignorant of. Plastic pouches filled with glucose and molasses can not form a radio transmitter that sends signals to the body, even if they are worn by a Navy Seal or a POW. That's a fact. So all you are left with is the power of suggestion working on someone who admittedly does not understand how they are supposed to work and doesn't seem to care. Lifewave has built their entire business on people like you. Before you respond, think about it. If the patches really did work, proper scientific studies would easily prove it. But Lifewave refuses to submit to this.
I doubt anybody's word would be considered worth anything to anyone here.
It's not that we think you are dishonest. The problem is you make certain assumptions, based on personal biases, that are not true. This shows you haven't done your homework on basic scientific principles. If you don't care about scientific truth, fine, but don't criticize us for pointing it out.