Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
I see a lot of ranting and raving from both sides here. Even if the "chips" work the same as placebos, so be it. If people are happy let them be happy.
The information that CieAura posted about the Food and Drug administration is the generic labeling that is required until it is certified. The Food and Drug administration has allowed a lot of harmful drugs into this country only to realize later that they were wrong. Because they cannot test every product (also read: cannot test every product correctly) they require a disclaimer.
Obviously these companies wouldn't intentionally undermine their sales pitch by adding "not intended to cure." They are forced to make this statement because the Food and Drug Admin says so.
The F and D Admin was originally designed to protect us, but now I'm not so sure they aren't looking out for their own profits first and foremost. Just because they haven't tested/certified something does not prove that the product doesn't work. That logic is invalid.
But like I said the first time... if pretending a drug cured his cancer, is it murder when you tell him it was only water and the cancer returned?
Just let people be happy.
Looking forward to your witty comments!
Deirdre
Accipiter
in the Northern Hemisphere, unless They have lied. Member
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 | 05:21 PM
"The F and D Admin was originally designed to protect us, but now I'm not so sure they aren't looking out for their own profits first and foremost."
Profit? The FDA?
EDHUK Member
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 | 08:13 PM
Who remembers Al Ferguson from the early days of LifeWave?
Wow, you'd think Al Ferguson had never even heard of Lifewave. He claims his new "products" do all the same things without even mentioning nanotechnology or cellphones! Of course even with all the testimonials describing miraculous results this product comes with the standard disclaimer:
"*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease."
Supernova said:
"But like I said the first time... if pretending a drug cured his cancer, is it murder when you tell him it was only water and the cancer returned?"
That makes about as much sense as declaring that the FDA is out for "profit". It is reprehensible and unforgivable to out and out scam people on bogus medical products, and the fact that some are "happy" to be scammed in no way whatsoever mitigates that. This is an outright predatory medical scam, plain and simple, no better than wiping a glob of snot on your skin and slapping duct tape over it. Period.
It's truly scary that people fall for this, and due to that absence of that logic in some arises the need for this sort of regulation...if there were no regulation, these bunko artists would claim that these things cure EVERYTHING...anything to scam a buck from the gullible.
Accipiter
in the Northern Hemisphere, unless They have lied. Member
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 | 02:45 PM
The thing I always find rather hypocritical is the way in which people supporting LifeWave or whatever the next new fad is always declare that doctors and pharmaceutical companies are all just in it for the money. It never seems to occur to those people that these things such as LifeWave are all about profit, too. In fact, they probably make more profit for every dollar spent than do the pharmaceutical companies: LifeWave never goes through years of development costs or testing costs, and uses nothing but cheap materials thrown together in a simple way. And I imagine that homeopathy, what with it really being nothing but little bottles of plain water, must be nearly pure profit once you find your market.
"LifeWave Patch Scam Idea Should Not Be Hard to Counter
Friday, August 21, 2009
Essentially since the beginning of the LifeWave LLC company in 2004 there have been people and websites/forums dedicated to publishing their opinion that LifeWave LLC and the LifeWave Patch technology is nothing but a scam."
And your point would be what exactly?
"No longer is the LifeWave Patch technology experience limited to a few LifeWave reps telling their stories because now multiplied tens of thousands of testimonials have been given around the world by some users including some world class scientists and physicians who now understand the importance of Energy Medicine."
So, essentially, MORE testimonials works better than less, right?
!
Joel Member
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 | 08:34 PM
"Suzanne Somers - Lifewave, on her book, Breakthrough which is her 18th book, in chapter 33 she explains that after using lifewave products for 2 years she is completely convinced . . . "
Suzanne Somers may be the only person who has written more books than she has read.
Joel Member
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 | 07:34 PM
Lissa from Australia,
You advised us in May (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P4960/) that you were trying to arrange for real doctors to perform clinical tests to determine whether Lifewave patches are effective treatments for childhood autism, as claimed by Lifewave. You said that David Schmidt had promised to fund such clinical tests.
Do you have any progress to report? I'd love to hear how you're coming with that.
StallionMarine
in Utah
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 | 06:44 PM
Maybe the schysters that are marketing these wonderful healing holograms can wad them up and shove them where they may heal hemmoroids. IMHO
EDHUK Member
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 | 07:36 AM
StallionMarine
in Utah
Your post illustrates how many of these scams are out there.
David Schmidt "invented" the non trans dermal sticky patches.
That's much too "old school" for his ex-employees Warren Hanchey and Ken Rasner.
They are into the bright flashy holographic chip "technology".
Meanwhile we can use derogatory terms till the cows come home to describe Schmidt et al.
He'll never take anyone to court as he doesn't have a case.
He really is a liar, cheat, swindler, scam artist, piece of low life pond scum, and you can't win a case against truthful statements.
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hcmomof4
in So. Cal. Member
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 | 06:56 AM
Interesting article about the "Nocebo" Effect, closely related to the placebo effect:
Especially: "in extreme cases, ailing patients who are mistakenly informed that they have only a few months to live will die within their given time frame, even though postmortem investigations show that there was no physiological explanation for early death." Wow.
Doc
in Tucson
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 | 10:36 AM
A scam? I don't even use LW and I can see this post is filled with borderline slander and liable.
Everything has a disclaimer for a reason, people like to sue.
I don't agree that they sell on the ideas of peoples problems. But come on... they have disclaimers for a reason.
As for the Placebo effect... How is that even part of the arguement? So many things offer a placebo effect, including the drugs you take, chairs you sit in, tv's you watch.. It's almost impossible to find a product not making a far reaching claim, or twisting to appear that way.
If it works for some people and isn't killing people... why would you care? I'm more amazed someone actually put this much energy into, an energy product..
Get a life, seriously. Maybe they have a smoke a joint patch or something?
