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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
Category: Health; Replies: 5899

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 | 10:07 AM
I apologize if the forum thinks I am going off topic. NAET is sort of related to Lifewave's talk about people with "reverse polarity" and muscle testing so that's why I pursued it. Since Anotherone seems to be leaving us I'll finish up with these comments:

I was referring to diagnosing allergies. Don't you consider that giving medical advice? Can't you see the potential harm here if your treatment is faulty? By your own admission you are not a doctor but you are quick to dismiss the opinions people such as Stephen Barrett who are. Even if we chose not to listen to people with qualifications like Dr. Barrett, why would we listen to someone else who doesn't have any qualifications at all?

I did do some investigating and I was surprised at the results. I had hoped you would have an explanation, something that would give me a reason for the inconsistencies with established medical knowledge. You say you have all these "cured" patients. Maybe so, but without proper testing how do we know that? You may know it but where is the public's protection from your possible biases? Based on what I read there are serious questions.

It would be interesting to do a follow-up on some of your patients to see how they are getting along. It would also be interesting to know if they really had a problem to begin with. Another thing that makes it suspect is the fact that studies are being done AFTER the treatment has been made available to the public! Shouldn't that be done before? Sounds a lot like Lifewave to me. If your treatment really is legitimate it should easily be proveable. The fact that this has not been done even though it has been "around for 30 years" makes me skeptical. Is that unreasonable?
Anotherone
in inUSA
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 | 01:30 PM
another non Lifewave comment: If I said I wasn't a doctor, I apologize for being misleading..don't recall saying that..so let's just cut to the bottom line..there are three basic ways to treat allergies that I can think of..medication, shots and NAET..how about this..you go wherever you want and let others do the same..if the marketplace says there are no results than so be it..certainly, in terms of side effects the shots and medicine have problems,,Naet at its worse does nothing..no side effects there..now as to studies..I'll drag up the Naet studies from the journals right after you give me the double blind references on the shots,,how's that?..that will save me the time and trouble..now as to the poor people being mishandled with their allergies..who do you think comes for treatment? people who are trying ;me first or those fed up with either the lack of results or don't want to deal with injections or medication..yes, that's what I thought..you have a right to be skeptical..I too am..I only began using it after a trial in my own office even though others had done their's first..'let's just agree to put the mainstream through the same ringer you would like to ring the alternative with..this isn't a little Lifewave demonstration here..and Nambudripad is a MD liscenced in the United States for what that's worth to you...
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 | 02:17 PM
On a personal note (for whatever little it's worth), I went through a period of my life when I experienced severe allergy symptoms, so severe during one several month period that I could barely attend business meetings, which began to REALLY interfere. I sought diagnosis/help from my HMO which performed scratch testing on me and told me that I was highly allergic to a number of substances, and offered me allergy shots and I forget what other treatment options.

After considering the options, and loathing the idea of people injecting substances into me that would screw with my body chemistry, I chose to do nothing. The result: My allergies symptoms subsided and eventually went away. I haven't been bothered in 15 years.

If I had had a different view of the world and chosen differently, I might have decided to try and then sworn that LifeWave patches made my allergies go away, or NAET treatment, or drinking yak's blood, or having Bozo the Clown smack me upside the head to readjust my resonant frequencies, or whatever. No doubt, the person administering the treatment would have been genuinely glad to have helped yet another person who, for whatever reason, had sought alternative treatment.

My point is that bodily symptoms come and go, all by themselves, for whatever reasons. That's what makes humans so susceptible to the classic fallacy of "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" for things medical, and why testimonials are useless.

It's also why on the rare occasions in my life when I have seen a doctor, if he gave me a prescription but couldn't give me a rational explanation as to what he was prescribing and why, I have deposited his stupid piece of paper in the trash can on my way out.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 | 06:47 PM
Anotherone

"I'll drag up the Naet studies from the journals right after you give me the double blind references on the shots,,how's that?.."

Seems to me that if there are genuine studies in widely accepted scientific journals, you would be more than willing to post the details.

I presume the journals you speak of, if any are real, are along the lines of "NAET World" and "Alternative Allergy Treatments They Don't Want You to Know About".

It certainly has been interesting to read your opinion of LifeWave patches.

"...for my opinion,,I don;t think the patches are a real thing..I've done some testing in my office..."

"...as you know,(Cranky Media Guy)I basically agree with you on Lifewave..."

As for the "treatments" you provide to your "patients", can anyone take up this line of work and put out their shingle?

"I only began using it after a trial in my own office even though others had done their's first..."

So it's a DIY kind of treatment?

You have come across as a pretty decent person. It would be a shame to start a new thread and perhaps shatter some of your fixed ideas about NAET.

Mind you, in all fairness, you might just end up proving to this little gaggle of skeptics that you have indeed found a "miracle".

Cheers,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 | 08:29 PM
OK guys I know that Razela, at least, would like to take the duscussion about NAET over to a new thread.

In the abscence of anyone else doing it, here it is:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/5669/

See you there (Razela, hint).

Cheers,
Dave
Anotherone
in USA
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 | 06:37 PM
may be good at what I do, but can't figure out how to post on the new thread, which I am responding to with trepidation (if I can figure out how)...always willing to admit what I don't know
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 | 06:55 PM
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/5669/

Then click on Post Reply at top or bottom of page.

Cheers,
Dave
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 | 09:59 PM
Anotherone, you might have to create a new user-name since it's on the new forum. There should be a sign-up button near the top (I think).
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 | 07:41 AM
Razela,

Anotherone can use the same username to log in, just like you did when you posted there recently.

Looking forward to Anotherone's thoughts on NAET.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 | 05:34 PM
I guess Anotherone's posts about NAET took us of topic for a while.

I wonder how David Schmidt is doing selling patches at Curves meetings?

I guess the monthly CA.office rent that seemed so reasonable a while back is feeling a bit pricey about now.

Not to worry, anyone who can barefacedly lie without blushing will no doubt continue to sell a few patches for a while longer yet.

Simply amazing!
Nanoman
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 | 12:10 AM
Happy Birthday Lifewave - 3 years and still going strong!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 | 01:12 AM
Lifewave: Over 5 million not cured of anything.
Nanoman
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 | 08:23 AM
Lifewave is not a cure for disease. It is far better than harmful drugs that Doctor's prescribe in your scientific mind!! Cheers!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 | 11:15 AM
Three years and still haven't seen those studies you promised!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 | 01:56 PM
"Lifewave is not a cure for disease."

So, does it have one of those labels on it that says, "Not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease" on it like all the quack stuff sold on TV?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 | 04:22 PM
Nanoman

"Happy Birthday Lifewave - 3 years and still going strong!"

It's interesting how little activity this thread has these days. You pop along to remind us that it's 2 years, 3 years etc.

"Going strong".

What does that mean exactly?

David Schmidt trying to sell patches at Curves meetings doesn't quite live up to the California high flyer reputation he thought he was building when he left his wife and children behind in Georgia.

It actually sounds rather sad, except for the fact that I can have no sympathy for his predicament.

The bottom line is that David Schmidt is still JUST another con man running a SCAM.

They really are ten a penny, as we have seen more and more through the hoax forum.

"Lifewave is not a cure for disease."

It is not ANYTHING at all.

Yet, there are still people buying the "product".

Buying into the dream of something better despite those nasty skeptics on the Hoax Forum!
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 | 06:51 PM
It's "going strong?" More like in its death throes.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 | 06:27 PM
LIFEWAVE DEATH SPIRAL
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 | 06:48 PM
Joel,

Always a pleasure to read your posts.

Perhaps the figures predict that ANOTHER new product is about to be unleashed from the science lab at LifeWave central.

I wait with baited breath to see if David Schmidt can once again prove to me that punters really CAN be that stupid.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 | 05:24 PM
More changes to the LifeWave website:

http://www.lifewave.com/leadership.asp

"David
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