Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
Lifewave also claims that, “DefenseWave™ has been clinically tested at major universities. Independent double-blind studies prove that DefenseWave™ gives you and increase in glutathione by up to 300%.”
Funny thing: Not one of those studies seems to be posted on Lifewave’s website, or is identified in any way.
I wonder how the military would feel if they knew that LifeWave is trying to sell to them, labeled as “Defense Wave”, the same patch that they’re trying to sell to women as a Skin Care patch that “Promotes a radiant clarity to the skin” and “Helps minimize fine lines and wrinkles.” http://www.lifewave.com/skincare.asp.
If our soldiers wear those stupid patches, they might die more than ever under the false belief that they are protected from all kinds of harm and threat, but at least they’ll have smooth radiant skin as they lie dead in their coffins, no?
Joel Member
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 | 10:27 PM
I wonder if Teddy Allen and Suzanne McHale will ever be able to live down their association with LifeWave Nanocommunications LLC and its honey-and-molasses patches that beautify the skin and smooth wrinkles, AND that also protect soldiers against malaria, hearing loss, radioactive substances, and high levels of mercury, by acting as tiny FM radio stations that send commands to the body to burn more fat by passively modulating the body’s thermomagnetic field and creating clockwise and counterclockwise swirling energy vortices and balancing out the body’s own energy fields and detoxifying the liver, just like socks and blankets do.
Good luck, guys.
Joel Member
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 | 10:35 PM
Hey DS (or Teddy Allen or Suzanne McHale):
You might want to fix that typo: "DefenseWave™ gives you and increase in glutathione by up to 300%." Don't you think it's about time to proofread your website?
EDHUK Member
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 | 04:09 PM
Joel
Back on March 9th I posted the changes Schmidt made to his website following my comments about errors, typos etc.
We really should be getting paid for proof reading his website!
Dave
Frank
in PA
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 | 12:02 PM
I am a lifewave distributor, i wore the patches about 25 times now in my life...i am also a professional football player. I do not feel any increased energy or strength when wearing the patches. in fact my 225 bench was 1 rep less when i had the patches on. They are available to make money and that is it!
Cranky Media Guy Member
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 | 01:07 PM
Frank, so you admit that the patches are worthless and that by selling them, you are engaging in fraud?
EDHUK Member
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 | 02:44 PM
Frank in PA
As well as other skeptics here, I believe David Schmidt to be a con man pure and simple. Your comment, like comments from athletes who have claimed impressive increases in energy, is purely anecdotal.
Skeptics have continued to ask for reputable studies on the efficacy, or otherwise, of LifeWave products. These studies have not been conducted for the simplest of explanations. The "products" are a scam and, as such, guaranteed to fail any creditable testing.
The self titled "Dr." David Schmidt has given us ever fancier web sites listing "studies" with grand sounding titles.
Each of these "studies" fails at the most basic level of science.
Now that you appear to have come to a fork in the road signposted "Redemption This Way", what do you intend to do to really put things right?
?
Joel Member
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 | 02:03 AM
A new claim by Lifewave!
Lifewave claims on its "new video" (http://www.lifewave.com/company.asp, click on "Click Here to Watch the NEW Video!") that its honey-and-molasses patches help restore eyesight (see the testimonial from an unidentified woman, perhaps an actress, claiming that her close vision has improved and that she doesn't need her glasses as much anymore, ostensibly due to wearing Lifewave patches).
Now THIS is something that the AG or the FDA might be interested in.
These nifty patches keep getting more and more powerful everyday, don't they? Now in addition to giving more strength and energy, and stopping snoring, and curing menstrual cramps, and smoothing skin wrinkles, and relieving arthritis, and protecting soldiers against radiation and anthrax, and healing scars, and making you piss out excess amounts of the trace elements that are vital for your body's health, now they fix poor eyesight, too. And all this from a guy who claimed to be a doctor but actually posseses only a 2-year business degree and a proven history of failed patent applications. Imagine what this guy could come up with next if he were to actually take some science courses!
Lifewave also claims in its new video, if I understood the words correctly, that "It's patented." Of course, Lifewave has no patent, so advertising that "It's patented" is another lie by LifeWave. And David Schmidt STILL proclaims that, "We believe strongly in our values of the highest integrity . . . " http://www.lifewave.com/company.asp.
You have to wonder how lying in its advertisements embodies "values of the highest integrity." Perhaps DS meant, "The highest integrity that we at Lifewave are capable of."
All of the potential Lifewave users and distributors out there can probably put as much as stock in what Lifewave is telling them about its products and distributors' earning potential, as they can in LifeWave's representation that, "It's patented." Meaning, Don't believe it for a minute.
Joel Member
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 | 03:37 AM
LIFEWAVE'S TRADEMARK APPLICATIONS
Here’s some new information from Lifewave’s trademark filings.
Lifewave originally applied to register the mark LIFEWAVE for the goods of, “nutraceutical and homeopathic applications used to assist the body.” (U.S. trademark application no. 78515516 now abandoned). The trademark examining attorney required Lifewave to specify exactly what “neutraceutical and homeopathic” substances were in Lifewave patches. Rather than answer the question, Lifewave never responded to the examiner so the application became abandoned.
Lifewave then filed a new application (no. 78957347) for the mark LIFEWAVE, but this time for the goods of “Disposable hot and cold packs for the relief of pain.” That application was granted as U.S. trademark registration no. 3237474. The specimen used by Lifewave to support the application was the Lifewave box which proclaims that the patches are “A NANOTECHNOLOGY PRODUCT” and “SOFTWARE FOR THE HUMAN BODY.” So DS is saying, in an official government filing, that the patches are nanotechnology, but also that they’re “hot and cold packs.”
Lifewave has also filed an application (serial no. 77057418) to register the mark LIFEWAVE NANOCOMMUNICATIONS, and an application (serial no. 77057424) to register the mark LIFEWAVE NC, for the goods of: “Non-transdermal adhesive patches, incorporating nanotechnology, that improve the metabolic performance and stamina of the human body in military and combat environments, optimize musculoskeletal injury prevention and recovery, intervene in life-threatening military combat injuries before and during medical evacuation, and enhance and sustain the human body's effectiveness during military operations; and disposable hot and cold packs for the relief of pain, improvement of stamina, improvement of sleep, elevation of antioxidant level.” Those applications are pending, approved, and published for opposition, and will probably issue as registered trademarks shortly.
David Schmidt used the email address .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) for some of those applications. The domain http://www.thelifewave.com was registered using the email address .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 | 08:06 AM
With all these new patent and trademark applications, how does David Schmidt find the time and energy to keep coming up with new miracle products? He must be wearing those patches.
From the Lifewave website:
"With this unique technology in the hands of our scientists, there's no limit to what the future may hold!"
Is David Schmidt implying he has a staff of scientists doing development work for him? We have been led to believe only David Schmidt (with his 2-year business diploma) is able to understand the science behind Lifewave. If he does have scientists working for him, who are they? What is their background? Do they publish in scientific journals? Why doesn't the video show them working in the lab? They must have peers in similar fields who can vouch for the validity of this product. If so, why don't we hear from them?
I suppose now that Lifewave claims to be able to improve impaired vision we will have a new batch of believers posting here saying it's true even though no one mentioned it before the claim.
"Our company follows the age-old philosophy of The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Does that mean I should try to sell David Schmidt a bridge or some swamp land in Florida?
watcher of idiots
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 | 03:38 AM
This thread is over 2 years old....... 2 YEARS !!! ... and LifeWave is still going strong..... you people are ridiculous.....what i have noticed is that many of you are running out of steam... running out of truly logical explanations of why you think this is a scam.... not that any of you had any logic to begin with..... of coarse ,, my post will give the die hards like EDHUK , Cranky Media Guy , Joel and Captain dumbass, opps,, i mean Al,,, fuel to flap there fingers once again in zealous retribution..... so flap away you idiots... because you truly are idiots..... Like it or not ,, LifeWave is here to stay.... whats so funny is that you ignorant #$%^!! are gonna eat this post up.... its been awhile since anyone has called a spade a spade on here... an idiot for an idiot..... so ,, I'm glad I can offer some very dense minded people a little fuel for there idiotic fire...... fire away. Your all a bunch of retards........... oh... OH.. i hear the fingers flapping now....
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 | 05:56 AM
"2 YEARS !!! ... and LifeWave is still going strong"
Two years and still no Waver has been able to learn anything about grammar or punctuation. Why don't you spend one of those huge commission checks on a night school course to finish Grade 12?
Two years and still no mention of Lifewave in any science magazine or TV news broadcast. Very strange for a product that claims it will change the world. It's pretty obvious who the real idiots are.
eh, we just ran out of wavers to debate with. I'm sure another will come along soon enough.
Joel Member
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 | 09:23 AM
"... and LifeWave is still going strong"
Based upon feedback we have received from some people, LifeWave is not going as strongly (duping as many people) as they would have if we hadn't been here. Keep up the good fight, folks.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 | 01:18 PM
watcher of idiots said:
"This thread is over 2 years old....... 2 YEARS !!! ... and LifeWave is still going strong..... you people are ridiculous.....what i have noticed is that many of you are running out of steam... running out of truly logical explanations of why you think this is a scam.... not that any of you had any logic to begin with....."
Over the last two years and 208 pages of this thread, we skeptics have said REPEATEDLY why we are sure LifeWave is a scam. We have given you scientific reasons why your silly little plastic patches CANNOT possibly work the way you claim.
In response, LifeWavers have "explained" that the patches work because....uh, well, because they SAY THEY DO, that's why. NO legitimate science has been presented to support the wild claims of LifeWave. None. Zero.
Let's cut to the chase here, shall we? You know damn well that the patches don't work as claimed. You DON'T CARE about any of that. You DO, on the other hand, care about people buying them from you and are afraid that our efforts here will cut into that.
It's a scam, you know it and you want it to continue. Period. Let's stop pretending that you think they actually work.
Jo
in US
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 | 03:14 PM
I ordered a trial pack recently and tried the energy patch during a basketball pick up game. I cannot not say they work or not from using the patch only once. While wearing the patch during a basketball game, I did experience my body temperature to be much warmer than normal. My feet were very hot but this could have been due to new ankle straps I was using. I felt like I had a bit more energy during the game.
I still have questions and need to test for myself more.
Could the extra energy be due to the fact that I also took a vitamin shake that day?
Could it be that this was my fourth outing of basketball since a while and I'm gaining more energy from more exercise?
Or, could it be that I believed I was going to have more energy hence causing my body to use more energy? Positive re-enforcement?
I will continue to eval the patch and post my results.
EDHUK Member
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 | 04:51 PM
Jo in US
Just as Frank in PA , above, gave us his personal opinion about LifeWave, your "evaluation" will be more anecdotal information and, unfortunately, of little use in the quest for the truth behind the LifeWave scam.
We now appear to be entering the "we're still in business therefore it can't be a scam" period.
So, presumably, all companies in business for 2 years or longer must be the real deal, right?
Just keep your scam going for two years or more and that's enough proof of efficacy for certain individuals.
Pitiful? Yes. Hilarious? No. Just a very sad reflection on life in the good old US of A in 2007.
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 | 05:05 PM
Jo said:
"My feet were very hot but this could have been due to new ankle straps I was using."
"Could the extra energy be due to the fact that I also took a vitamin shake that day?"
"Could it be that this was my fourth outing of basketball since a while and I'm gaining more energy from more exercise?"
"Or, could it be that I believed I was going to have more energy hence causing my body to use more energy?"
This is precisely why properly designed studies, with hundreds of test subjects, conducted by qualified independent researchers with no financial stake in the outcome are used to determine the efficacy of new medical products. They eliminate all uncertainties and biases. You wouldn't try this with a new cancer treatment would you?
Normally these things are done BEFORE a product is marketed to the public. Instead, Lifewave just started selling them from day one. How did they know their "theory of operation" worked as planned? Where is the record of the first person who put them on in the lab? Of course there wasn't any "first person" since it's all a scam but I hope you see my point.
Don't waste your time and money. It's their responsibility to prove their claims, not yours. The fact they haven't tried indicates how confident they are in their product. Will you get a refund if you're not satisfied?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 | 12:02 AM
EDHUK said:
"We now appear to be entering the 'we're still in business therefore it can't be a scam' period.
"So, presumably, all companies in business for 2 years or longer must be the real deal, right?
"Just keep your scam going for two years or more and that's enough proof of efficacy for certain individuals."
Yup, that appears to be where we are. If you don't have any facts to back up your claims, rely on your longevity as "proof."
To anyone who thinks that LifeWave having existed for a few years now "proves" that it isn't a scam, I have one word for you: Enron.
Enron was the 6th largest company in America and was a complete scam from top to bottom. Neither size nor longevity PROVES that a company is legitimate, unfortunately.
Joel Member
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 | 12:17 AM
More silly patches from LifeWave:
"LifeWave LLC has ventured full force into the anti-aging arena with the LifeWave YAGE Patches. In addition to the powerful and versatile LifeWave Glutathione Nanotechnology that literally is thousands of percent more effective than any other means of raising the serum glutathione levels, the LifeWave YAGE patches include the former X-Patch which now has been revealed as a Carnosine Patch." http://quikonnex.com/channel/archive/519
"As was announced during a May representative training call, LifeWave Patch nanotechnology will before the fall of 2007 adding to its LifeWave Patch Energy Enhancer, LifeWave IceWave Pain Reducing/Eliminating Patch, LifeWave Patch Glutathione enhancement, and the LifeWave Patch RestQuiet sleep enhancer/stop snoring, a new LifeWave Patch system to aid in weight loss and appetite supression." http://quikonnex.com/channel/item/27174