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LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

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Richard Hayd	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 08:48 AM Three years after withdrawing its pain medication Vioxx from the market, Merck has agreed to pay $4.85 billion to settle 45,000 lawsuits by people who claim they or their family members suffered injury or died after taking the drug, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter New York Times. What does this say about the system, the "scientists", and the FDA? What does it say about the double blind randomized clinical trials that are the "gold standard" "tour de force" of great science? Maybe those people affected were just suffering from a placebo?
Joel Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 10:27 AM Shouldn't LifeWave be testing people for reverse polarity (whatever that is) BEFORE they put patches on them? Based on Tara's experience, all Lifewave users should DEMAND that Lifewave pay to have their polarities tested, and that they receive a written report stating which polarities they have, BEFORE they buy a single patch. Failure to do so sounds like gross negligence and gross disregard for people's health and well being on LifeWave's part. What do you think, Richard?
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 10:46 AM Richard, and what does any of that have to do with Lifewave? Oh wait, nothing.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 11:00 AM Richard Hayd "What does this say about the system, the "scientists", and the FDA?" 1. This thread is about the LifeWave patches scam. 2. No one ever claimed the FDA is perfect! 3. The Vioxx settlement was widely reported a few days ago on the news channels. The system may be far from perfect, but it usually, finally, works. Are your questions designed to entice people into believing David Schmidt, with a 2 year business degree and total lack of bona fide scientific credentials, invented the most amazing technology in the past hundred years? Do you suggest that the "system" is flawed, therefore Schmidts silly patches are real? Do you have irrefutable evidence that the patches are a real brand new technology and work? Would you put your reputation behind such claims? Will you put your reputation behind such claims? ?
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 12:04 PM If we are to take Richard Hayd seriously we should immediately stop double blind placebo testing. And those pesky scientists? Well we obviously can't have them doing research and development on new drugs anymore. We'll leave that up to 2-year business diploma grads doing it in their kitchens. Then we'll wait and see what annecdotal reports come back from consumers before we decide if a new treatment works. Yeah, right. If the Vioxx case tells us anything, it's that we need even more stringent testing than we are already doing. I would also suggest the FDA could use some help from the FTC to rid the country (in the U.S. anyway) of scam products and treatments (chiropractic, homeopathy, blessed water, acupuncture, etc). This would ensure the FDA's limited resources are not wasted dealing with the woo woo masquerading as real science. What testing has Lifewave been through to ensure it is safe for consumers? Nothing that we've seen here. If the FDA's extensive test protocols failed for Vioxx, why should we trust Lifewave which hasn't been through any?
Richard Hayd	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 12:52 PM It's like beating your head of a brick wall to you imbeciles. If "scams" work even as a placebo they are much better and safer than the deadly and toxic drugs that are widely touted and in most cases not fully understood - even by the FDA or their scientists. http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws99.htm Captain Al - How many deaths per year from Chiropractic, Homeopathy, Blessed Water, Acupuncture or even the "Scam Lifewave Patch" - and how many perceived benefits (placebo) as opposed to deaths by conventional medicines OR misdiagnoses from medical doctors? DS is no more or no less than a scam artist than ANY doctor who prescribes a drug and has performed ZERO due diligence. If a doctor leaves the testing up to the "authorities" then the testing becomes tainted by the very nature of where the funding came from to perform the tests in the first place - and that goes for all your high and might Universities as well. Captain AL - Mercury - neurotoxin - added to Vaccines. Why? Aspartame - neurotoxin - added to food supply Why? Fluoride - neurotoxin - Added to water Why? Vioxx - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Lotronex - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Redux - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Raxar - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Posicor - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Duract - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Rezulin - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Propulsid - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption Bextra - Deadly APPROVED for human consumption ....and I could go on. Chiropractic - no known deaths - hundreds of thousands feel better Homeopathy - no known deaths - hundreds of thousands report healing. Blessed Water - not sure what this is? Maybe the Popes Holy water - probably helps some people who "believe" it will help them Acupuncture - thousand year old method for relieving pain and inducing healing - no known deaths and millions report benefits. Lifewave Patches - no known deaths - helps some overcome pain, others feel no effect or some report some ill effects (nausea, fatigue etc) Maybe the FDA are waiting for a few thousands deaths before they will APPROVE it for human use. So please, don't call SCAM on "unproven methods" and then support other SCAMS just because they are "proven and APPROVED". IMHO when something is APPROVED by the FDA - STAY AWAY and when the FDA go after you with a vengeance to shut you down for "quackery" then there is probably something working that could replace one of their "approved drugs". Money talks in the land of the free, and unfortunately people die because of it. If you cared as much to expose THAT FACT it might serve you better - if helping the people and not your ego is really what you are all about.
Joel Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 02:51 PM Richard Hayd: A real treatment, proven by proper studies to have REAL benefit, will work even better than a placebo, because the REAL treatment will have the combined benefits of both REAL effects and the placebo effect. Seems pretty simple to me. That's why REAL treatments are better than Lifewave's fake treatment. That's why fake treatments have been declared by the courts to be fraudulent, even if they exhibit placebo effect. Yes, The System is flawed, nobody doubts that. That's why the System tolerates ambulance chasing plaintiff's lawyers as the backup in case the first lines of defense against quackery and unreasonably dangerous products fail such as in the Vioxx case. In fact, I suggest that without the FDA and the other components of the System which you seem to despise, placebos would have virtually no effect. Placebos, by definition, require deception. It helps DS's deception for people to think, "Lifewave hasn't been shut down yet by the FDA or the FTC yet, David Schmidt is not behind bars yet, and he hasn't been sued into oblivion yet, so LifeWave must be real." So the existence of the FDA and the System are, it seems to me, fairly necessary components of any medical or quasi-medical scam. Without the System (that is, if people knew that any scam artist can say anything he wants, and sell dangerous products and always get away with it, and that there are therefore hundreds of thousands of people out there selling hundreds of thousands of fake treatments), nobody would believe anything or anybody, and hardly anybody would pursue any treatment or cure. The only reason that LifeWave "works" on any level is because both of the following are true: (a) the System exists, less than perfect though it be, and (b) David Schmidt lies. So don't despise the System. Without it you and David Schmidt probably wouldn't be able to sell a single patch. Cheers.
Anotherone in USA	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 05:26 PM For Tara,,,(Cranky Media Guy..please ignore this note..you already know much more than is said here with all of your "research"..so don't waste your time)--polarity and muscle testing are of course real..Proven...doesn't mean Lifewave is worth anything, but can't stand to hear all things which connect to it thrown into the same batter...and for my opinion,,I don;t think the patches are a real thing..I've done some testing in my office..but who knows..if it works for you, knock yourself out..I've been around long enough to know I don't know everything..never change a harmless thing that is working for someone..enjoy the beauty of what works and forget those who can't stand seeing others helped by things they don't understand..
Richard Hayd	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 05:34 PM A real treatment, proven by proper studies to have REAL benefit, will work even better than a placebo, because the REAL treatment will have the combined benefits of both REAL effects and the placebo effect. Seems pretty simple to me. OK please name them for me? Especially the approved treatments that are not toxic have no side effects and work better than a Lifewave "Placebo" Patch. That's why fake treatments have been declared by the courts to be fraudulent, even if they exhibit placebo effect. What do the courts know about medicine? It seems like they barely know the LAW anymore. In the land of the free should you not be free to choose your own mode of treatment, should you be diagnosed with a disease? Look at what your courts deem to be fair treatment...I sincerely hope if you ever come down with a disease that the Communist courts of the US A don't preside over your freedom of choice http://angryscientist.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/mother-jailed-put-on-trial-for-cu\ ring-her-son-of-melanoma/ Yes, The System is flawed, nobody doubts that. So why do you want the system to test efficacy and why do believe everything that is regurgitated by the system? In fact, I suggest that without the FDA and the other components of the System which you seem to despise, placebos would have virtually no effect. Placebos, by definition, require deception. How can you deceive a lab rat? Most placebo's are performed on mice, rats or rabbits do you think they know they are being deceived?? LOL It helps DS's deception for people to think, "Lifewave hasn't been shut down yet by the FDA or the FTC yet, David Schmidt is not behind bars yet, and he hasn't been sued into oblivion yet, so LifeWave must be real." So the existence of the FDA and the System are, it seems to me, fairly necessary components of any medical or quasi-medical scam. Sorry I don't see the logic. If I was selling a pain killer that DID NOT kill pain, I would not be in business very long. People would maybe buy once say sorry this didn't work and not buy again. I ask you this - have you ever bought a "Brand Name" anything that flat out didn't work? Was it a scam. Are the people getting results from it experiencing only a placebo? The FDA don't seem to be bothered by what DS is doing because he is doing nothing "wrong". If he was the "system" would come after him. Why don't you if you are so agreeable with the system, sue DS and bring him to his knee's - if it so easy to prove this is a scam and you are so sure it is a scam it should be a slam dunk and "Your friend" the system will help you. Without the System (that is, if people knew that any scam artist can say anything he wants, and sell dangerous products You sound like Fox News here creating a SCARE tactic out of nowhere - where is the dangerous product - did I not already list you 10 DEADLY PRODUCTS that you seem to have completely ignored because the system APPROVED them and always get away with it, and that there are therefore hundreds of thousands of people out there selling hundreds of thousands of fake treatments), nobody would believe anything or anybody, and hardly anybody would pursue any treatment or cure. Drugs don't CURE disease they chase symptoms of disease - hardly anybody looks for a cure anymore in the mainstream because it is not profitable and their research funders wouldn't like it. So don't despise the System. Without it you and David Schmidt probably wouldn't be able to sell a single patch. I don't sell patches, but currently I am free to buy them - with or without the system. The day that I cannot exercise my freedom to buy what I want to buy, especially when it is proven to "do no harm" then that is another step further from liberty and freedom for all. That is what you are ultimately supporting
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 06:00 PM "Drugs don't CURE disease they chase symptoms of disease..." Are you sure you haven't posted here before? "It's like beating your head of a brick wall to you imbeciles." Ah the anger, the vehemence, the atrocious wording. The system is out to get us and yet you stick around, or maybe you live outside the USA? "Look at what your courts deem to be fair treatment...I sincerely hope if you ever come down with a disease that the Communist courts of the US A don't preside over your freedom of choice..." Yes, perhaps in another country. "I don't sell patches, but currently I am free to buy them - with or without the system." You are free to buy them, but let's not forget that by implying there may be credence to David Schmidt's outrageous claims you take responsibility for the scam along with all the other promoters. It's one thing to be fooled into wasting one's own money. It's a totally different thing to help con others. *
Joel Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 08:10 PM Richard: "I don't sell patches, but currently I am free to buy them" And if you haven't found the information and opinions expressed on this forum to be helpful, which is here to balance out all of the numerous sites that regurgitate David Schmidt's blithering nonsense and parlor tricks combined with baldfaced lies, you're free to ignore it, buy and use the patches, contribute to DS's bank account, and move along if you so choose. You've reached your conclusion. Good for you. "you imbeciles" You reinforce my suspicions that the patches DO have the effect of making people mean, bitter, nasty, belligerent little trolls. That could be why DS quit calling them Harmony Patches. So many patch believers react to contrary information and opinions like Linda Blair reacting to holy water in The Exorcist. Weird. I don't understand what the mechanism would be for sugar and glycerin patches turning people into nasty little trolls, but patch believers keep saying that the skeptics should keep open minds, so you never know. "The FDA don't seem to be bothered by what DS is doing because he is doing nothing 'wrong'." I hate to burst your bubble, but the FDA doesn't bother DS because his products are not within the FDA's jurisdiction. Have you noticed the disclaimers on LifeWave's site that are clearly worded to help ensure that LifeWave does NOT fall within the FDA's jurisdiction? Neither has the FDA or the FTC bothered our friend Karma Singh who, like DS, is still in business with his hilarious harmony chip. So DS is in good company. You should try the harmony chip. http://www.harmonyunited.com/start.html . It does soooooo much more than LifeWave patches, it comes with numerous testimonials and a money back guarantee just like LifeWave, and it lasts for 10 years rather than a single day. Such a deal.
Joel Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 08:34 PM Richard: "The FDA don't seem to be bothered by what DS is doing because he is doing nothing 'wrong.'" Wow, that's an amazing amount of faith you place in the FDA (or FTC?) to quickly mobilize and stop wrongdoing dead in its tracks. I don't have nearly that much faith in our government or its ability to move at anything beyond a glacial pace. Wait. No fair switching sides and expressing blind faith in the FDA.
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 11:16 PM Richard, please try to actually stay on subject. Your big pharma/FDA conspiracy theories don't have anything to do with lifewave.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 01:05 AM It really gets frustrating watching LifeWave's defenders use the same poor logic over and over. NO ONE disputes that the pharmaceutical companies sometimes produce medicines that turn out not to be as advertised, even harmful. How does that in any way "prove" that LifeWave works? It is entirely possible that some conventional medicine isn't good AND that LifeWave is bullshit. One does NOT preclude the other. Those of you who rail against science need to immediately turn off your computer, unplug your TV and radio and every other modern device you use and throw them away. After all, they are ALL the result of that nasty science you hate so much. I'd say you could keep the helpful devices produced by "alternative" means, except there AREN'T ANY. No scientist (or anyone else with two active brain cells) claims that science is foolproof. It's merely the best method we have to determine how the world around us works and make practical use of that information. As others have noted, if Dave Schultz's patches really work as advertised, then he has discovered a way to refute the known laws of physics and he would be up for the Nobel Prize as well as becoming a billionaire overnight. Instead, he's hustling his silly little patches to a small group of women in a strip mall gym. See anything wrong with that picture?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 01:25 AM anotherone said: "For Tara,,,(Cranky Media Guy..please ignore this note..you already know much more than is said here with all of your "research"..so don't waste your time)--polarity and muscle testing are of course real..Proven." I'm SO sorry for not listening to you and replying to this. laugh What does "you already know much more than is said here with all of your 'research'" mean? I honestly don't know what you're trying to say there. "polarity and muscle testing are of course real..Proven." Oh? Where has it been "proven" and by whom, please? If the human body has "polarity," where are the poles? We ARE talking about electrical polarity, yes? The "muscle testing" thing that kinesiologists do is a VERY tired, old scam. Ellen Degeneres actually refers to one of the variations of it in an old HBO special, which is where it belongs since it's a joke.
Anotherone in USA	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 03:39 AM did you hear? they can now do EKGs..E stands for eleectrical..guess what surrounds every electrical current? Oh, and I didn't realized Ellen Degeneris had debunked a procedure that has been shown reliable in peer reviewed studies with double blind procedure..maybe I should watch more tv so I too can be cranky..and by the way, you look it up..I'm not doing your research for you..watch a little less television, I have a job
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 12:15 PM Really Anotherone, and what studies are you referring to?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 02:03 PM anotherone said: "you look it up..I'm not doing your research for you..watch a little less television, I have a job" AKA "I think I read that somewhere or maybe I just pulled it out of my ass but I'm afraid that if I look it up, I'll find that it doesn't exist so I'll just be sarcastic." Uh, it isn't MY research. YOU'RE the one making the claim, so either YOU look it up or concede that you don't know what you're talking about. As for the Ellen DeGeneres thing, she referred to it in the context of a bit about not liking to wear dresses. She didn't "refute" it but made fun of it. "did you hear? they can now do EKGs..E stands for eleectrical..guess what surrounds every electrical current?" EKG stands for Electro Kardio Gram. Did you mean EEG (Electro Encephalo Gram)? The former tests the heart; the latter tests the brain. So, according to you, polarity SURROUNDS an electrical current? Hmm, I thought it referred to the direction of flow.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 03:51 PM "...enjoy the beauty of what works and forget those who can't stand seeing others helped by things they don't understand..." The point being that we DO understand how David Schmidt has successfully, so far, conned people out of a great deal of money. What's to understand? Schmidt very kindly disclosed the contents of his two patch system way back in the early days. 11/23/2004 MVA Study http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Research/Research004-MVAStudy11-23-04.pdf (2.74 MB) Page 2 Methods: "A reagent was chosen, based on information provided by the manufacturer, that would react with substances present in the brown (glucose) patch and in the white (glycerin) patch." No mystery here, couldn't be much plainer. White patch contains glycerin, brown patch contains glucose. What part don't you get? Over 3 years later, with Schmidt carrying on in the tradition of a snake oil salesman, there are STILL people who are determined to attribute to him amazing "powers". How can people be so awe inspiringly, gobsmackingly, totally perplexingly, humongously, utterly determindly dumb? Because they are lucky enough to have freedom of choice. Is that cool or what? ?
Anotherone in USA	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 08:20 PM no, cranky guy..you said it was debunked..I said in response that it was real..now this is only a website where you can obviously say what you want with nothing to back it up..where was it debunked..and by the way, a simple google search brings up a study in moments showing the efficacy of muscle testing..anyway, who cares? you don't want to believe it works, that's up to you..don't use it..I only responded because you claimed to another that things like polarity and muscle testing were ridiculous (my interpretation of your comment)..as you know, I basically agree with you on Lifewave, just this other stuff, don't know why you need to bash it..but its a big world..many things both true and false are not believed by many people..really, it doesn't matter much to me unless you are trying to disuade or discourage another with things I know to be otherwise..
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