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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
Category: Health; Replies: 5899

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 | 11:11 AM
Had an interesting email today trying to convince me to sign up to the next great mlm opportunity.

Seems that Steve Smith is involved.

This Steve Smith:
http://thesurfboard.net/download/sscomplaint.htm
(Courtesy WWSN)

Steve used to be involved with LifeWave.

"Electro-Magnetized Potentiated Nutrition"

Wow

Is this LifeWave MK II?

Might need to start a new thread to take a closer look.

mylifesmiracle.com will be up and running soon.

Let's see if it gives LifeWave a run for its money!

Enjoy!

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 | 02:30 PM
http://www.lifesmiracleusa.com/

Yep, I think this may well need a new thread!

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 | 01:46 AM
For anyone interested in the latest "Wave" check out:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/5591/

Cheers,
Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 | 10:47 PM
I got a fascinating front row look the other day at how the Lifewave scam works, and why it may take a long time to completely die.

Out of curiosity I attended a Lifewave presentation session in which DH himself came to a Curves (the large woman
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 | 12:19 AM
That's a very interesting story, Joel.

Yeah, pitching patches to a small bunch of women in a franchise gym in a strip mall is a LONG way from where Schmidt was claiming the company would be at this point.

As you point out, his being there (rather than a flunkie) really says a lot about the state of the company.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Schmidt has to hustle like this to have money in his pocket these days. It's hard to understand how small-time crap like this would be worth his time otherwise.
Jallopity Jane
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 | 09:43 AM
So tell us Joel, please.

You stood up proudly and debunked the uncharismatic scam artist, you told those two women that they were experiencing nothing but a placebo and you proceeded to enlighten the now irate crowd who (knowing they were being lied to) applauded your wisdom and thanked you profusely for saving them from the grips of quackery.

Tell us that was you, Oh heroic Joel.

Or did you sit there tight lipped and speak only to your shallow self taking notes thinking to yourself, "I can't wait to get home to report this to Cranky Media Guy and Edhuk, they are going to love me for my detective work".

Because if what you claimed is true - setting the "ambiance of the room" just right and bringing in a smooth talker - the world will be out of pain and we would have no need for prescription pain meds.

Which in my humble opinion sounds many more times far fetched than anything DS has said.

So please do tell us exactly what you did say to DS?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 | 11:00 AM
Jallopity Jane

So kind of you to mention me!

Were you one of the women Joel referred to attending "Curves (the large woman
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 | 10:19 PM
Jallopity Jane

It sounds like you vehemently deny the existence of a placebo effect. If that's the case, there's little point in having any discussion with you.

I chose not to disrupt DS's game (much), but mostly to watch and observe. I did ask one question about the supposed "technology", to which DS responded, "That's proprietary. We don't disclose that." In other words, DS was sticking to his stump speech and was going to avoid any REAL questions.

I also passed out a couple copies of "Dr. David Schmidt" 's U.S. government filing, for those people who might be interested.

Do you find it far fetched to believe that DS is a liar?
Jallopity Jane
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 | 11:33 AM
"It sounds like you vehemently deny the existence of a placebo effect."
- Oh really - reading between the lines is not very scientific Joel, because I don't remember denying that there is no placebo.


"If that's the case, there's little point in having any discussion with you."
- The way "OUT" of a shallow man who hadn't even got the courage to stand up in the face of quackery and proclaim truth to the "suckers". But I will grant your wish - a continued conversation with you would be futile - you are shallow & ignorant and in only two posts you have proven it.

Do you find it far fetched to believe that DS is a liar? - Not at all - just as I don't find it far fetched that every person on this thread thus far is a liar, the world is full of liars. INCLUDING YOU!!!

But if some "Fat Chick" proclaims she has less pain from a nagging injury after putting on a patch that is "supposedly" created to help in this case, why should she not be able to feel a difference - and who are you to deny her.

Maybe ALL our doctors should develop a "story" like DS and hand these "band aids" out to people prior to drugging them. If it works so well for a "certain percentage of the population" why would we not use a more humane approach?
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 | 01:18 PM
Jallopity Jane,

If I understood you correctly, you stated that the idea that a smooth talker wielding inert patches could induce people to feel less pain, "sounds many more times far fetched than anything DS has said." That sounded to me as though you think that the placebo effect is "far-fetched." Tell me if I'm wrong.

"who are you to deny her."

I didn't deny the women anything. Which is exactly what you are calling me shallow and gutless for - for not having told the women that their pain reduction is all in their heads.

You can't have it both ways, Jane. Should I let the women experience their temporary pain reduction (if they aren't interested enough to do their homework on the patches), or should I stand up and call DS on all of his bullshit?

Perhaps I'll do that at another meeting and see what the audience thinks.

Isn't it outrageously far-fetched to believe the following: That a man who invented sealed sugar patches that can actually reduce pain by 80% through clothing in seconds (not to mention all the other amazing things that DS claims the patches can do), hasn't been named "Man of the Year" by Time magazine yet, hasn't received his Nobel prize for medicine yet, never bothered filing for more than a single patent (which got rejected by the Patent Office), hasn't been featured on CNN, hasn't been written up in JAMA, has had most of his top managers quit, still uses a disgraced psychiatrist as his science advisor, and after 7 years in business (as claimed by DS at that meeting) he still hasn't gotten past the MLM stage and is now seeing a decreasing business to the point that he is reduced to hawking a few boxes of patches at a time to small audiences in strip malls gyms?

Here's what poster energypoints proudly proclaimed:
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 | 02:01 PM
So, Jane, DO you think that the occasional apparent success the patches have in reducing pain is attributable to the placebo effect?

If so, then why does Schmidt lie about how the patches work? What's with all the pseudo-scientific nonsense? Call 'em Placebo Patches and be honest about it.

If *I* invented a breakthrough product that operated according to a principle previously unknown to science, I'd either be selling them by the millions or be negotiating to sell the company for billions of dollars. I seriously doubt I'd be pitching them to a small crowd of women in a Curves gym like the guy who sells eyeglass cleaner at the county fair.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 | 02:24 PM
If I were a LifeWave distributor and actually believed the product claims, I would be marching em mass with my fellow distributors to La Jolla with torches and pitchforks, demanding that DS hand over the reigns of the company to somebody who could at least sell heaters to Eskimos.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 | 02:34 PM
. . . or I'd be reverse engineering those sugar and glycerin patches, and knocking the crap out of DS in the free market and becoming a zillionaire.

I'd probably have Barry Bonds in a nationwide TV commercial saying, "I don't need to inadvertently use steroid cream anymore. With these little babies on my Chakra points underneath my jersey, I hit 90 home runs last year."
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 | 05:32 PM
JJ

It's always fascinating to observe the level of vehemence toward any poster here who states that David Schmidt is a con man.

I, along with many others, have NOTHING to gain by posting here. Balancing the times when people hurl insults are the times when posters give thanks for the information. It's especially heartwarming to see ex LifeWavers admit they were conned but that they are adult enough to admit it and they are now moving on.

The placebo effect has been positively demonstrated in recent years and the study in the USA concerning pain was especially appropriate with regard to the "Curves" pain placebo example.

I've posted this link many times, but to save you having to look for it here it is again:

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm

So, would it be possible for the ladies concerned to have have experienced a reduction in pain after the application of the LifeWave patches?

Absolutely!

It would also have been possible for them to experience pain reduction after being given I/V saline solution, as per the Ann Arbor MI research.

David Schmidt abandoned his wife and children in Georgia to head off for his new LifeWave lifestyle in California. He made his choices and will have to live with them.

We have noted here in this LifeWave patch scam thread that anyone who becomes a distributor/promotor of the product is equally liable when the company goes belly up.

Hope your bank balance is healthy.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 | 10:39 AM
JJ

The apparent pain relief in the "Curves" example would be an extremely easy one to perform an amateur test on at home with a person who is experiencing pain.

Shield the person's eyes so that they cannot see (e.g., have them lie face down, or lie with a towel over their face). Without saying anything, in series place a number of small objects that have similar size and weight as Lifewave patches over their jeans (you don't even have to stick anything on - just gently set it down on their jeans), with only one of those objects being a LifeWave patch. See if the person can consistently pick out, "You must have just set a LifeWave patch down on my jeans because suddenly my pain decreased significantly."

Let us know how this works, will you?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 | 11:14 AM
Joel

As you know, this thread has been asking for bona fide scientific testing of the patches to no avail.

Your simple "test" would be easy to do, but doesn't include the double blind element. The tester would still know that they were placing a LifeWave patch on the subject and could, without realizing it, impart this knowledge to the subject. Not likely, but possible.

The patches will NEVER be tested properly by LifeWave because they are a SCAM.

While the element of doubt, for some, remains, the business will continue even though Schmidt is having to do some pretty hard ground work to keep the SCAM going at the moment.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 | 06:04 PM
LIFEWAVE
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 | 06:13 PM
LIFEWAVE
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 | 08:48 PM
LIFEWAVE
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 | 12:22 AM
Hey, the woman's polarity was reversed! It wasn't LifeWave's fault!

OK, sarcasm off. Um, what does "polarity" mean in connection to the human body? Where can I attach the voltmeter to determine if my polarity is correct? Even if we assumed this nonsense was logical, what would "correct" mean? Do most humans have one polarity and a relative few have the reverse?

So many questions, so many bullshit answers.

To Tara, I would suggest that you do a little research on kinesiology. Did they pull that old "see how weak your arm is" gag on you? That's been debunked over and over. You shouldn't have any trouble finding information about it.
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