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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 05:04 PM
Able to fly said:

"My son only wears the patches when he plays competition or trains on Saturdays because that is when he will be pushed to the point where he normally has difficulty breathing."

Are you sure it's your son? Maybe he's the son of one of your other personalities. The pirate perhaps. Or he COULD be the son of your "friend" with whom you "share" the IP address.

Why it's almost as if you have no credibility with me anymore.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 05:09 PM
Able to fly said:

"It is one thing if you choose to be sarcastic on a forum, but to ACCUSE ME OF TELLING LIES IS GOING TOO FAR."

Nice try claiming that the multiple personalities thing was a joke. At the time you said that you were DIAGNOSED with them. Do you want me to take you at your word or not?

The available evidence strongly suggests that you have posted here under multiple names and concealed that fact. Take all the offense you want but, yes, I believe that you are a liar. Deal with it.

Hmm, maybe it's just one of your other personalities that tells the lies. God knows we could hardly blame you for that.
Able to fly
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 05:46 PM
NOW WHO IS TELLING LIES?????

Cranky Media Guy said:
"Nice try claiming that the multiple personalities thing was a joke. At the time you said that you were DIAGNOSED with them."

What I actually said can be found on page 70 of this forum:
"However I am told that I suffer from "multiple personalities". In which case you may find me on here using more than one name argueing with myself. Should this happen I apologise in advance."

Nice try Cranky Media Guy. How much credibility do you have left?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 05:59 PM
For those naive enough to believe everything they read on the internet.

I have referred to LifeWave's "study" by MVA on previous occasions in this forum. I have posed the question: Did LIfeWave give an honest answer when asked what was in the patches?

LifeWave's answer as per the report page 2 was:

"A reagent was chosen, based on information provided by the manufacturer, that would react with substances present in the brown (glucose) patch and in the white (glycerin) patch. The reagent chosen reacts with glycerin and with glucose to form a white precipitate."

Some readers have found this point a little hard to grasp. LifeWave told MVA the patches contained glucose and glycerin NOT glucose and glycerin with ingredients x,y,z etc. MVA needed to know so that they could choose the correct substance to "react" with the patch contents for the purposes of the test.

IF LifeWave told the truth then they have told the world that they are selling patches containing NOTHING more than glucose and glycerin.

IF they did NOT tell the truth, the testing was null and void. The MVA report stating the patches were non-transdermal is useless.

It's in black and white folks for all to read as I have mentioned before.

It is beyond comprehension how ANYONE can believe EVERY word posted on LifeWave's website. That level of gullibility is positively clinical.
Able to fly
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 11:46 PM
EDHUK said: "What if, after much time goes by, it turns out something does pass into the body? How would users feel then? Would they be curious as to what substances were being absorbed? Could the substances be harmful over the long term, say over a period of two or three years?"

Simple answer is YES of course I would be concerned. Just as I am concerned about the effects of anti-perspirant deoderants, self tanning lotions, sun screens, moisturisers, shampoos, conditioners, perfumes and anything else that touches my skin. However, reading the ingredients means nothing if I don't know how my body will react to them. What is harmless to others can trigger asthma in some or dermatitis.

I could spend the rest of my life worrying about what might happen if I continue to allow my son to wear the patches, or I can let him wear them if he wants to and hope that he is benefitting from them and that he won't regret it later.

I came to this forum because I did want to know more about the patches. You are right to suggest that we should ask questions and we agree on that. What we don't seem to agree on is where we should stand until we do learn more.

I haven't been presented with anything other than the cost of the patches and the cost to my ego if they are proven to be a scam, as a reason to stop buying the patches. Neither of those factors worry me. Even if Lifewave have stretched the truth in marketing the patches or even if they have been unethical in their earlier attempts at setting up the distribution, it doesn't change the fact that my son believes they work for him.

Your gut feeling may tell you they are a scam.
My gut feeling tells me there is more to the patches than a placebo. The truth is we still don't know.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 12:15 AM
Able to fly said:

"What I actually said can be found on page 70 of this forum:
"However I am told that I suffer from "multiple personalities". In which case you may find me on here using more than one name argueing with myself. Should this happen I apologise in advance."

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were claiming that someone who actually knows what they're talking about told you you suffered from "multiple personalities." I didn't realize it was just some guy you passed on the street or whatever. I'll never again make the mistake of thinking you know what you're talking about.

"Nice try Cranky Media Guy. How much credibility do you have left?"

Yup, that's it, try to make the subject about me. Am I the one who has made the claims about mysterious "friends" who "share" the same IP address? Am I the one who has the "multiple personalities?"

You have no credibility here. Why do you persist in trying to bullshit us?

Or am I just corresponding with your argumentative personality? The lies are piling up.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 12:31 AM
Able to fly said:

"So back to the issue of the Lifewave patches. I was told by some of you that a double blind placebo test was all you were asking for. My friend (or my alter ego if it keeps you happy) supplied a link and a copy of that information."

Yes, your "alter ego," AKA YOU under a different name in a sad attempt to convince us of the nonsense you're peddling. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot; you've been told that you suffer from "multiple personalities." One of them apparently supplied the link to a "study" conducted God-knows-where by God-knows-who. Well, if THAT doesn't prove the magical "nanotechnology" inside small adhesive plastic patches, I don't know what could.

Basically, your story is that small plastic patches can somehow "communicate" with the cells of the human body. You also admit to a serious mental disorder. How could we possibly NOT believe you?

"What else do you need now to convince you that the patches work?"

I'd tell you but I'm laughing too hard at you right now.

What color is the sky in your world?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 12:38 AM
All Tweeked Up said:

"By the way even though IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT may be the same person as ABLE TO FLY I still think she is right. Even though I have no idea what everyone has said, but I have read enough to come to my own conclusions."

It isn't absolutely impossible that Able To Fly is incorrect, but the question is why a person who claims to believe what they are saying has to resort to deception to try to convince others.

To me, it strongly suggests that what we are dealing with her is a person who KNOWS full well that the patches are nonsense, has, perhaps, a monetary interest in their success, and is desperately trying to patch the ever-enlarging holes in the LifeWave story. It is an effort which will ultimately fail. Although it may be a while before that happens, it WILL happen. See any laundry balls on the market these days?
Able to fly
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 12:44 AM
EDHUK one more point on the MVA study. I think it is safe to accept that glucose and glycerin did not permeate. I would have thought then that if the other ingredients, "x,y,z,etc" were able to break through the polyethylene, wouldn't they also open the door for the glucose and glycerin? If that happened wouldn't the patches have failed the test?

I suppose you could argue that there may be no glycerin or glucose in the patches.

How hard would it be for someone with the right equipment to cut the patches open and test for the substances? Or have I been watching too much CSI?
Able to fly
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 01:15 AM
Cranky Media Guy. If this were high school I would think that all this attention from you was a sign that you secretly fancied me.

Do you dream about me Cranky?
Are you hoping I have a naughty personality just waiting to play with you?
smile
Lizziegirl
in Connecticut
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 08:40 AM
Forgive me if I came in at the tail end and this question has already been answered, but I am trying to find out if the patches contain latex. Someone from Pennsylvania gave me a few to try, and I broke out in a rash. He didn't know whether they are made with latex or not. I have written to Lifewave's website twice asking that question, but have received no answer. What kind of company won't answer a simple question? Alot of people are allergic to latex, and they need to know. Also, I felt nothing when I wore them. I think they are probably a placebo, and I'm glad I didn't pay for them.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 10:27 AM
Able to fly said:

"I haven't been presented with anything other than the cost of the patches and the cost to my ego if they are proven to be a scam, as a reason to stop buying the patches.

Excuse me? What about the fact their "inventor" knows nothing about science or nanotechnology? What about the theory behind the patches? Resonant energy transfer to the body's non-existent magnetic field? Glucose becoming an FM radio transmitter? The use of deceptive practices to conduct "studies" to prop up credibility and sales? The list is endless.

You've been given plenty of other reasons but for some reason you refuse to acknowledge them.
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 02:23 PM
Able to fly,

It sounds like what you're saying is that it's ok if Lifewave misrepresents how the patches work, whether the lie is that they are placebo, or the lie is that something is actually ingested into the body, as long as your son feels that they help him.

A lie is a lie, and when it occurs within the marketing of a product, it is sometimes illegal.

Following this thought process (to the admittedly extreme...) methamphetamine is also illegal, and might also boost performance.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 02:24 PM
Certain souls feel they are safe in using the patches for themselves or their children. That's wonderful.

To continue posting here looks like an ongoing sales pitch does it not? Is such a person trying to sell the idea to others or to convince themselves?

Let's not forget the most important aspect of this scam. ALL those who promote the patches take EQUAL responsibility with the company when the inevitable closure of the company occurs.

*
Able to fly
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 03:22 PM
"Certain souls" may still be here waiting for proof either way.

Certain Souls may also feel that the stretching of truth used by Lifewave is no worse than the stretching of truth used by some of the sceptics on this forum.

eg:

Captain Al said
"What about the fact their "inventor" knows nothing about science or nanotechnology?"

How would you know what David Schmidt knows? How long have you known him?
Also the word nanotechnology is becoming a joke.
It simply means "nanotechnology, the coming ability to build materials and products with atomic precision"

or "nano- pref. [SI: the next quantifier below micro-; meaning * 10^(-9)] Smaller than micro-, and used in the same rather loose and connotative way. Thus, one has nanotechnology (coined by hacker K. Eric Drexler)by analogy with `microtechnology'; and a few machine architectures have a `nanocode' level below microcode'. Tom Duff at Bell Labs has also pointed out that "Pi seconds is a nanocentury". See also quantifiers, pico-, nanoacre, nanobot, nanocomputer, nanofortnight."
http://dict.die.net/nano-/


Then this comment:
"Resonant energy transfer to the body's non-existent magnetic field?"

It so happens that many accept that the human magnetic field does exist. And why wouldn't it? Do you doubt that the brain and the heart function with electrical impulses as well?

Then this comment:
"Glucose becoming an FM radio transmitter?"
As I understood the theory the patches contain ingredients in addition to glucose that interfere with the human magnetic field and work like nano (meaning small) antennae to give signals to the body. If you accepted that the human body has a magnetic field this theory would not be so beyond your comprehension. It may seem surprising, but no more surprisng to me than that the ipod nano that I gave my son has 4GB of memory. I didn't write to Apple and ask them to prove it. I pre-ordered it before the release and knew that if it didn't do as advertised I could demand a refund. Just like you can if you don't feel an increase in energy with the patches (assuming you even pay for the ones you try). How many businesses do you know that allow you to try before you buy?

Also this:
"The use of deceptive practices to conduct "studies" to prop up credibility and sales?"

The study practices used were not deceptive. The stretching of the truth in advertising was. However, show me a company that doesn't stretch the truth in advertising. I would have thought that by now society almost expects it and allows for it. Lifewave have now posted the details of the studies on their website. Anyone is free to read them before they invest in the patches.
Able to fly
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 03:35 PM
I am surprised that any of you think you even have the right to question me as to why I stay and argue. EDHUK claims to stick around out of concern for those he thinks are being scammed. I stick around out of concern for those who may have their livelihood effected by a bunch of self proclaimed do-gooders who don't really know if Lifewave is a scam or not but think that they have a right to accuse Lifewave and David Schmidt with very little and dubious evidence if any. I stick around to fight for the "innocent until proven guilty" laws that we should be living by. I'll stick around and until someone either presents me with PROOF that the patches are a scam or until these unfounded accusations stop.

My only financial interest in Lifewave was the money I spent purchasing patches for my son. I DO NOT DISTRIBUTE THEM.

PS Where is the response to my questions about Mark Kline, MK Systems and the document provided by WWSN1? I am waiting for more information so that I can understand why an attorney who normally represents famous music artists is representing a company who designs pulp manufacturing equipment in a lawsuit about the distribution of Lifewave patches. It doesn't make sense. Please explain.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 03:54 PM
All bona fide businesses have to prove their product does what they claim it does.

Why is LifeWave any different?

There is NO proof...period.

.
Able to fly
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 04:28 PM
Yes and I would like proof as well. However until the patents have been approved I am not surprised that we are still a little in the dark.

Until then we are given the opportunity to try the patches for free and decide for ourselves.

If the patches are a scam, it is an extremely well thought out or very lucky scam. To rely on the placebo effect to work enough times to build such a large business is amazing.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 04:57 PM
Able to fly said:

"If the patches are a scam, it is an extremely well thought out or very lucky scam. To rely on the placebo effect to work enough times to build such a large business is amazing."

Not really. I've actually seen these things; if they cost more than a few cents to produce in volume, Schmidt is the one getting ripped off. He sells them at an exhorbitant markup. Each one is sold at enormous profit..

Besides, who knows how "big" the company really is? It isn't a publically traded stock, so they don't have to disclose their financials to the public.

As for the placebo effect, those who have made an investment in LifeWave have an obvious incentive to tell others how "well" the patches work. Some of them will legitimately think they do and others will realize differently but will talk them up anyway. Greed is a powerful incentive.

Those who try them and receive no benefit will most likely just stop using them without making a fuss. The outcome is that one is most likely to hear from the booster club.

Then there's always the "multiple personality" factor where one person talks out of several sides of their mouth. Just sayin'.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 | 05:12 PM
Able to fly said:

"Cranky Media Guy. If this were high school I would think that all this attention from you was a sign that you secretly fancied me.

"Do you dream about me Cranky?
Are you hoping I have a naughty personality just waiting to play with you?"

I'd be afraid to be involved with you; if some of your "multiple personalities" are male, would that make me bisexual? It's all SO confusing.

Do you have any personalities that aren't full of shit?
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