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LifeWave Energy Patches
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Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
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Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm
We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 | 01:38 PM
So THAT's what Trolling means. I've heard people mention it before, but never understood the meaning. |
All Tweeked up!!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 | 06:02 PM
Sorry for the inconvenience. My apologies.
I promise I will NOT be on this site again.
HAVE FUN!!
Now, carry on...............
By the way even though IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT may be the same person as ABLE TO FLY I still think she is right. Even though I have no idea what everyone has said, but I have read enough to come to my own conclusions.
But anyway SORRY. |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 | 07:35 PM
Hey Tweeked-
If your going to try to fool people, your level of literacy needs to be equal to the person you're trying to imitate. It wouldn't hurt to try claiming something credible also.
anon-
Yeah, chances are excellent that most of the posters are trolls. (They likely live under bridges, have long dirty ratty hair, and eat unsuspecting small children too...) Speaking for myself, most of my effort, which is much less than that of EDHUK, WWSN1, CMG and others, is simply for entertainment. Mostly my own... I have hopes, albeit slim, of someone reading all of this and comparing the weight of volume to the weight of rationality, and concluding that an energy boosting placebo can be had for less than the cost of LifeWave patches. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 | 11:10 PM
anonare you suggesting that I am a troll?
I understood that a troll is someone who doesn't really care about the issue but likes to make outrageous comments just to see what reaction they get (would you agree with that definition anon?). I am not sure which comments I have made that anon finds outrageous. I may love to argue, but only when I can back up what I say and I prefer to stick to logic. In this case I do very much care about the issue because I am purchasing the lifewave patches for my son.
Also, I will happily go along with the suggestion that I am also IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT so that I don't have to be embarrassed that I didn't even think to do a google search myself to find the information that I wanted to petition for. I gather the idea of letting someone else use your computer is beyond your comprehension so I am happy to leave it at that.
So back to the issue of the Lifewave patches. I was told by some of you that a double blind placebo test was all you were asking for. My friend (or my alter ego if it keeps you happy) supplied a link and a copy of that information.
What else do you need now to convince you that the patches work?
Anyway I came to this forum not knowing if the patches really worked or if it was a placebo effect. I came to this forum looking for answers. I found a lot of opinions, but few answers. It concerns me that the number of people involved in the Double Blind Placebo study were small (a total of 25) and so I am still not convinced 100%. However, this forum has provided me with no reason other than a reluctance to accept new ideas and ones we can't fully explain as a reason to suggest that the patches are a Hoax. There has been suggestion by WWSN1 that David Schmidt has not been completely ethical in his business dealings (hence the lawsuits) and I am still waiting on more information on those matters. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 | 11:27 PM
If anyone new does come to this forum and are looking for a straight answer to the question "Are Lifewave patches a Hoax?" the answer at this stage should be We don't know for sure, but there are strong arguments both ways.
There is some evidence to suggest that there is more going on than just a placebo effect. We don't definitely know WHY or HOW wearing the patches has resulted in improved performances, and it hasn't worked in all cases. The explanation we get from Dr Haltiwanger appears to be more of a Theory than a fact.
I would encourage Lifewavers to keep asking for scientific reports and studies.
Hopefully with a little more action from all those concerned on both sides of the argument we may get some answers soon. |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 12:11 AM
Able to Fly - I just want to let you know that I'm glad you came to the forum. Though I can hardly say I agree with many of your conclusions, at least you show some thinking for yourself, which is more then I can say about basically every lifewaver that has posted. There are still biases and pre-formed opinions, but of course, that applies to everyone. At least when arguing with you the use of logic actually has some weight. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 03:23 AM
Not only are the LifeWave patches a fraud, so are their supporters. Seems appropriate.
So, Able To Fly, how many "multiple personalities" do you have? Are they all allowed to vote? Do you have to pay for more than one seat on the bus? How about all-you-can-eat buffets? Movie theaters?
Do the patches give all the personalities additional energy at the same time? Are all of the personalities full of crap or just the ones we've been privileged to see here?
I think it's time to crawl back under Ayers Rock ("Uluru" to any aboriginals reading this). |
Able to fly
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 06:19 AM
Cranky Media Guy, are you now trying to turn this into a debate on Multiple Personalities?
Why don't you just start a new forum claiming Able to fly is a Hoax, or have you done that already? I couldn't be bothered looking for it. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 06:28 AM
Razela. Thank you. Its good to know that some people still remember how to be nice. Forums have a way of turning normal sane people into Cranky Meddlesome Guys. |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 08:53 AM
An employee of a college gets involved with LifeWave patches. He's involved with sports at the college, so he carries out some unofficial "tests" so that he can use the "results" in his sales pitch.
When his name is mentioned in print, the name of the college is also included. Seems to give his claims more credibility.
The college finds out what he has done and issues a cease and desist order to LifeWave.
It's a simple concept of linking a dubious product with a well known name/institution etc.
The problem is that people in other areas of the country/world, take these "endorsements" "studies" at their face value.
Throw in some fancy sounding studies conducted in another country and presented at some conference (where the presenter paid for the privlege of standing by his poster mounted on a stand, like the high school science fair) and an air of credibility starts to waft its way over certain personality types.
To those reading about this subject for the first time, out of general interest, or thinking about selling the patches.
Take nothing at face value (including my posts and others) Read all the posts to get the flavor of the pros and cons.
Try to remain grounded in reality. It will be VERY hard for some to do. The excitement of this product (if it were to turn out to be genuine) would be difficult to ignore.
Think about what is at stake for you.
Thinks about what is at stake for David Schmidt at LifeWave.
Above all, think about it.
Have a great week-end!
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 05:13 PM
Able to fly said:
"Cranky Media Guy, are you now trying to turn this into a debate on Multiple Personalities?"
No, I'm just laughing at your ridiculous nonsense. The lies are piling up.
"Why don't you just start a new forum claiming Able to fly is a Hoax, or have you done that already? I couldn't be bothered looking for it."
Don't you have a spare personality you could devote to that research? No obsessive-compulsives in the crowd?
I LOVE the way you guys blame the messenger. How about you defenders of quackery stop playing these stupid multiple personality games? Then the rest of us wouldn't feel obligated to respond to that nonsense. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 06:11 PM
Cranky Media Guy HOW DARE YOU.
Point to one single shred of evidence to back your accusation that I have told lies.
I DO NOT LIE
When I apologised in advance that you might find me on here arguing with myself it was a JOKE. Many women have probably been accused of having multple personalities as men try to cope with their PMS. I wasn't telling lies but I wasn't expecting to have to explain or defend my sense of humour.
I have explained who IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT IS but I DON'T have to waste my time proving it, so I laugh it off and move on.
It is one thing if you choose to be sarcastic on a forum, but to ACCUSE ME OF TELLING LIES IS GOING TOO FAR.
I await your apology and request that the moderators remove your post. |
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT:
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 08:52 PM
Mr Sea Monster in Hell I am unable to fly. Nugh said. Advanced apology accepted. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 08:59 PM
Thanks, but you needn't have bothered. It just gives them another excuse to avoid the real issue here..... they still don't know if Lifewave is a hoax, so they turn the focus by attacking anyone who doesn't think it is. |
anon
in anon
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 11:27 PM
able to fly:
maybe you should just give it up already. You already have lost all your credibility on the forum with the constant support of making sure Lifewave "hasnt been 100% disproved" I enjoyed your use of BOLD letters to support that line.
That and the fact "that your friend used your computer to post on here" and the other fact that your son is using/selling them pretty much ensures that your just another Lifewave lover and you are embarassed to admit you spent 100+ on a membership to the fradulant company.
Goodnight and goodbye! |
Rolan Doobies
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 01:39 AM
Able to fly,,
Does basketball season start earlier in Australia? My son has been playing for years and they have never started before November(yes, I know the pros start earlier than that). I think if your son wants to be a basketball superstar, bogus patches aren't going to do it... what will is about 2 thousand shots a week. Have him try that. Have him stick the placebo patches on if he gets tired shooting so much. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 06:43 AM
Rolan Doobies said: "Does basketball season start earlier in Australia?" At a non-professional level there are two seasons of basketball per year. (Well at least there is in Qld and NSW, I don't know about the rest). At a professional level it started very early September. See www.nbl.com.au
Thank you for your advice but already my son's coach requests at least 180 shots a day and runs a very heavy training session on Saturdays. On top of that my son plays in two competitions (Wednesday and Friday) plus a third when the reps comp starts up again (February in Australia). He also coaches a junior team (Mondays) and ocassionally referees for the school. He attends a gym two afternoons a week for strength building. PLUS, on top of ALL of that he goes to school full-time and has a part-time job. He watches his diet very carefully and drinks at least a litre of soy milk a day. So what more can he do?
My son only wears the patches when he plays competition or trains on Saturdays because that is when he will be pushed to the point where he normally has difficulty breathing. He tells me that he doesn't feel the tight pains in his chest when he wears them and so he can play on longer without needing time on the bench. It may just be a coincidence and so after 7 years of playing basketball he has suddenly outgrown the problem. Or it may be a placebo effect. Or maybe the patches really do work. Whatever the reason, since my son has shown so much dedication to his sport, if he wants the patches I will buy them for him. I have no regrets as long as he feels he benefits. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 07:15 AM
anon, to sell the patches you need to be over 18yrs of age. My son is only 16.
The rest of the garbage you wrote, was that meant to scare me away or were you just being a troll? |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 02:29 PM
I think it's understandable why people need to cling to the idea that the LifeWave patches must be real. Who wouldn't want to benefit in the way that David Schmidt claims.
It becomes a tricky proposition when such believers in the product attempt to put forth solid "information" that "proves" the product is genuine.
I have stated many times that I don't think everyone posting for the product is a rogue. Some are genuine folk who have been swept up in something they cannot, yet, fathom. The product seems to do something so why look any further?
David Schmidt has not changed his original premise that the patches are non-transdermal. ie that nothing enters the body. What if, after much time goes by, it turns out something does pass into the body? How would users feel then? Would they be curious as to what substances were being absorbed? Could the substances be harmful over the long term, say over a period of two or three years?
During the past months of posting, I have not been concerned about ill effects from the patches because I have believed the hype. If they were non-transdermal, there couldn't be any harm in them except for the drain on the wallet.
Let's hope David Schmidt has, at the very least, told us ONE truth about the patches.
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Able ot fly
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 | 05:04 PM
The lifewave website has links to studies on it.
Regarding EDHUKS concern about whether the patches are or are not non-transdermal see:
http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/mva_study_11-23-04.pdf
Links to other studies can be found at:
http://www.lifewave.com/studies.asp |
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