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Lord Lucan
in somewhere strange Jan 12, 2005
Think and Reason is offering $1,000,000 if you can prove that God exists. There are conditions attached. But they do say: "All you have to do is prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that God exists. It is really that easy!"
Is there really this money sitting waiting?
Supposing I said I was God - and prove I exist (should be easy) - is the money mine?
Paul, it's one of those unpleasant early memories I can't seem to forget, as much as I would like to.
Sharruma, I don't think evolution would involve incest to as great a degree as the Adam and Eve story would. A small isolated population can become genetically differentiated over time without brothers and sisters having to mate. And if you go back to the first amoebas, that's all asexual reproduction anyway.
By the way, who was Adam and Eve's third child mentioned in the bible? I never learned about a third child in my religion class.
Oh, and about space expanding faster than the speed of light; that's a-ok with relativity; space-time itself can expand faster than the speed of light, but matter cannot travel at the speed of light. I forget how it works now, but basically the law of relativity isn't being violated. Not that its violation would prove God's existance, anyways; the nice thing about the accepted laws of science is that they change when they are proven wrong, as apposed the the laws and statements of religion.
It's nice how they base everything on an average lifespan of 900 years! Very realistic. I'm sure after the first couple of hundred years of life popping out babies and raising them is no problem!
Coleman
in Texas
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 07:03 PM
Do you love someone? Your mother, father, your husband/wife...anyone? Prove it.
Can you catch the wind? See a breeze? No, you can see the effects of it, and you can feel its presence. You know when it is there. It is the same with love, and God is love.
There is no better way to prove there is a God besides faith and love.
Sharruma
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 07:12 PM
Genesis 4:25, Alex
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare him a son, and called his name Seth blah de blah
I conceed alex, ameoba reproduction isn't really incest, but it sounded good.
Mark-N-Jen - I wasn't suggesting that Eve was dropping sprogs every five minutes only that she had a lot more children than the three listed. (according to my religious classes)
'Eve Dropping Sprogs'. That sounds like it could be a really good name for a band.
ted2
in an abstraction layer
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 08:56 PM
Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. There probably is a corollary that proves God exists - a poster above was refer to Godel's work.
If the inflationary big bang theory is correct, it proves that God exists beyond a reasonable doubt. The possibility that our universe could form without being intentionaly created is one divide by infinity. That is, zero.
Somebody really should make them pay up if they are foolish enough to make such a challenge.
If you ask me, it's more like a 1/2 possibility that the universe would appear--in the beginning there was nothing, and either something happens, or something doesn't.
The bottom line is, there is know way for any of us to prove or disprove the existence of God. Even if a supreme being showed itself to all of us today, by tomorrow there would be all kinds of theories of mass hysteria and why it didn't really happen. It's human nature to question. Personally, I think questioning is a very healthy thing.
It makes perfect sense that the human race would have created the idea of God. It's a very scary thought to think that all life is ultimately meaningless and that we are spinning out here on this planet all by our lonesome with no one watching over us. Personally, it doesn't bother me. I've come to accept that that's a definite possibility.
What I can't accept is bible thumpers who are so convinced that they have all the answers that they can't even open themselves up to even a small possibility that maybe everything they've been taught and are basing their entire lives on might be nothing more than a creation of a frightened mankind. The possibility that maybe, just maybe they're .....wrong! gasp!
The other possibility is that if there is a God, it created us and is no long gone. Face it, we could just be one in a long line of failed experiments. The universe is infinite afterall. (theoretically)
If there is a God, I seriously don't think it sweats the small stuff and I do think it wants us to question and grow and learn.
There are many things will will never know, and we will never know what they are.
Timmy Member
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 | 05:28 AM
Hi all
X Member
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 | 06:29 AM
God is in Ohio, and he sends this message " I'M IN OHIO". Personally, I have never been there nor wan't to go. God isn't pleased because he never wrote an owners manual. He only gave us higher intelligence so we would communicate better and get along. It back fired. Then he made monkey's. Every one likes monkeys.
Everyone does like monkeys.
I feel bad for those who are allergic, though...
Mark-N-Jen
in Midwest USA
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 | 11:02 AM
Sharruma,
First off... thanks for the smile. That phrase, like Alex said, should be attached to something because for some reason it just makes me smile.
I never said that Eve couldn't do that (drop sprogs every five minutes) or didn't do that or imply that you thought as such... we all know for the most part how long it takes to bake a baby. And I'm sure you're aware of that... or at least have an idea. As I said before, I was merely contributing some biological information about the reproductive system of human females. That their number of eggs are finite and fixed... and that even if she did have MANY children... that it couldn't be some outrageously high number. And I didn't even think or imply that you had said even that. I was taught when I was younger and FORCED to go to church that Eve indeed had more than the three children mentioned and that's how they chose to answer our questions (shut us up) about the beginnings.
I guess I should have been clearer... but as I've stated in other posts I'm not very good at making a point. Sometimes I have to make several attempts before I actually say what I mean. It's a fear of public speaking... and yes, it does indeed bleed over onto public but anonymous forums such as this one.
X Member
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 | 12:26 PM
For some one that has a fear of public speaking, you seem to have alot to say, have you checked out how much info you type out.
Mark-N-Jen
in Midwest USA
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 | 12:58 PM
Ah, but I never said I wouldn't / didn't do it... just that I wasn't very good at it. Much like other people's spelling... you know still vs. steal??? In life you must overcome things, like public speaking in order to graduate college... and what better way to overcome a fear than by facing it... entered any spelling bees lately Stephen? Also, if you're trying to tell me something just come out and say it... do you not find my contributions worthy? If I remember correctly you're fairly new here... at least I didn't read any posts from you until recently so yes, maybe I have posted a lot but I've been reading at MOH for over a year... also if you knew the exact circumstances of every post I make you'd know they take me forever to write, I recheck them on a compulsive level before posting, and often worry after posting about possible mistakes... so your psychological evaluation if that's all it was, was rushed and off base.
Besides... how else am I supposed to kill all this time at work???
X Member
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 | 02:02 PM
Hey, that wasn't a smack on you, and whats wrong with how I spell "Still" whats your point??? Hello, metal...
