Posted By:
Lord Lucan
in somewhere strange Jan 12, 2005
Think and Reason is offering $1,000,000 if you can prove that God exists. There are conditions attached. But they do say: "All you have to do is prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that God exists. It is really that easy!"
Is there really this money sitting waiting?
Supposing I said I was God - and prove I exist (should be easy) - is the money mine?
"CMG, how many times did you have to beat your head off of a brick wall to be able to type like her?
"My god, I'd have to drink tequila (and lots) to force myself to type like that."
Well, I'm one of those boring people who doesn't drink or do drugs. No, I'm not religious or anything like that AND I grew up in NYC where, God knows, all of my friends did every substance they could shove into any orifice. I have a lot of alcoholics in my family so I figured intoxication would be a bad choice of hobbies for me. The fact is that I've never been high or drunk in my life. Scary, huh?
As for my response to April, I just pretended my cerebral cortex, like Terri Schiavo's, had turned into liquid and the prose just flowed from my digits.
Sharruma
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 | 06:53 PM
There are a group of physicists in the world that are currently trying to prove that string theory is accurate.
Part of string theory suggests that there are a number of alternate universes in neighbouring dimensions (sounds like bad fifties sci-fi)
They, apparently also beleive that Gravitons can move from parallel universe to parallel universe and so are trying to prove the existance of these other universes by creating Gravitons and then watching for them to disappear.
True, none of this will actually prove the existence of a deity. But if somehow they prove infinite parallel universes (in the same way as if the universe itself was actually infinite.) then probability is actually turned on it's head. Not only would god exist but every creature and deity you could imagine not only would but must exist.
However.. The actual proof of the existence of an actual deity still wouldn't be physically provable and however large a number might get it is unlikely to ever be infinite.
It's very hard to find an instance of infinity in nature, the only one I can think of is if you stand between two mirrors and I'm not sure about that simply because that optical illusion is all based on the speed of light. The illusion might stretch and stretch and appear to be infinite the longer you're between the mirrors but it is still finite
Time - Time cannot be infinite because by definition infinite would mean it would have to be both infinite in the past as well as the future and if it were infinite in the past we'd never get to where we are now. Time is either curved or simultaneous.
Space - Space (not the planets therein) could actually be infinite but this has yet to be proved. Again it could be curved or maybe it's bounded by a brick wall beyond which is the realm of the gods.
Perhaps the entire universe is a piece of fluff on a policeman's uniform, or a piece of snot up the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure. Who can really say?
"Perhaps the entire universe is a piece of fluff on a policeman's uniform,
or a piece of snot up the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure. Who can
really say?"
FINALLY, someone who shares my cosmology! Hey, Sharruma, want to join the First Church of Snot? In it, blowing your nose is a sacrament.
Sharruma
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 | 11:12 PM
It's tempting
Paul in Prague
in errr...
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 05:08 AM
Sharruma wrote: "If somehow they prove infinite parallel universes ... every creature and deity you could imagine not only would but must exist."
Tommyrot! Every *evolutionary physical possibility* would be played out; if a God is not an evolutionary physical possibility then in no universe whould He/She/It evolve.
"by definition infinite would mean it would have to be both infinite in the past as well as the future"
No - you can have infinity stretching in one direction from a point.
"It's very hard to find an instance of infinity in nature"
Pi? The Golden Mean? etc etc...
Sharruma
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 10:26 AM
In infinity everything is not just possible but probable, not just physical possibilities but also metaphysical possibilities and even fantasies. Whos to say that gravity pulls you downwards in a parallel universe where the laws of physics might be totally different.
When did time start then? I've heard some claim it began with the big bang, but the big bang was an event and you need time already in existance for an event to take place. No, infinity must work in all possible directions or it is not, by definition infinite.
Pi describes a circle. I've already said that infinity might be perceived where a curve is involved, after all on a ring where does it start and where does it end? Pi can also be written as 22/7 (looks quite finite to me)
As for the golden mean, I've never heard of it, but I expect there's a curve involved there somewhere.
tasha
in here!!!
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 08:42 AM
ooooooook i didt understand word of what tim sed ? but what if ppl in da uk prove god exists do we get £1,000,000 ( wow what a lot of zeros!!) ?? & y do people have a fixsation of proving god is real instead of beleiving it why does everything have 2 have proof 2 b real ??? books can't dance we no tht but we don't need any proof 2 beleive tht!!!( stupid example i know!)hmmmmmm is god actually real ?? does anybody actually know ? there has 2 b sum truth bhinbd it otherwise where did we get the whole idea from ? who would make something like tht up ??
tasha
in wow
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 09:04 AM
ill be god if ya like just as long as u giv me da million wen ya get it as god i order u 2 do tht wow only god cud werk da smileys
Send in all of the "proof" that you posted here to the guy offering the cash. When you get the million, let us know. Until then, go find something else to do.
"there has 2 b sum truth bhinbd it otherwise where did we get the whole idea from ?" - tasha
Is this really why you spend your life believing in something? Where would people get the idea? If that is all it take to prove that god exists, then I have to tell you something. There is actually a variety of grass that can speak English. The CIA uses it to spy in other countries by dropping seeds from aircraft and then picking up the grass clippings from various mulch piles around the world, re-animating the dead grass, and interrogating it.
It HAS to be true. Otherwise where did I get the idea from?
In answer to your incredibly stupid question of "there has 2 b sum truth bhinbd it otherwise where did we get the whole idea from ? who would make something like tht up ??"
Who would make something like that up is an incredibly stupid, ignorant, egotistical species that have a burning NEED to fill important, the most important if you will. In order to attain meaning they make up meaning, they make something like that up to justify themselves... because they're STUPID and don't know any better. They show their stupidity through acts like believing things because they can't comprehend someone just "making" something like that up.
They're called humans... and you're a fine, shining example...
Sharruma
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 11:30 AM
Tasha, to answer your question without insulting you
When the first caveman found something he or she couldn't understand such as why the sun set in the same place every day or why rivers always flowed in the same direstion, they created gods to help explain it for them.
As we learn what actually happens to create these phenomena the need for gods becomes less and less
We don't need a god of the sun to control the length of the day, we don't need a god of rivers to control their flow. We don't need to sacrifice to gods of harvest to feed our children.
As we learn, our need for gods diminishes.
X Member
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 12:17 PM
Soooooo, we're not supposed to worship the SUN???
Now my life is turned upside down. Next thing you going to say is that there really isn't a Magical bunny that comes out once a year who's soul purpose in life is to celebrate a day a carpenter, that some how arose from the dead (on another day), by hiding colorful chicken eggs in bushes.
Sharruma
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 01:45 PM
I didn't say you couldn't
I said WE didn't need
As Santa Claus is my witness I'm not about to tell anyone what they can or can't believe in.
X Member
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 01:53 PM
YOU LIE....you are mocking me! you said "WE" as in you and me. I don't even know you, but yet you tell us we can't worship the SUN. We like to worship the SUN. Now, I assume you worship this "Santa Claus" since you summon him as a witness, but I bet My god can burn yours!! Santa fears him, thats why he only travels in the winter, at night.
Sharruma
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 03:37 PM
Okay, okay you got me
When I say WE I mean you
The Sun wouldn't be happy if I turned my back on him/her too
As for Santa Claus, I know he exists, I get coal from him every year.
Raoul
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 03:56 PM
God must exist, for he has sent me a CD of music from Baltimore, USA. Noone can deny that this band, Barnacle Billy and The Platonic Solids are divinely provided. Noone can reject their mystical power, not even I, Rrrrraoul, The Musical Fruit
Sharruma
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 | 06:03 PM
proof positive
Advance directly to Go
Collect $1000000
teryn
in NZ
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 | 12:12 PM
umm tim i dont really understand all that....
but i think god doesn't exist. where's the proof theres heaven, where's the proof theres hell??
plus wasn't jesus supposed to come back alive or something?
and what about the other theories they have about the universe and the "big bang".
also what if theres life on other planets, would god have made that.
plus where the proof about noah and his ark could he really take crocodiles and elephants and ants on his ark??
and wasnt the bible written about 40 years after all this jesus stuff happened.
and how come all these horrid quakes have happened and killed so many people that prayed to god in indonesia.
there just isnt proof he exist's
Ah! The birth of the questioning mind, right before our eyes.
It amazes me how people cannot question their own beliefs, and not be able to prove them in any way, and keep on believing, just because it makes them feel better.
Question everything. Life is more complicated that way, but it also clears up a lot of bullshit when you do question things.
just as long as u giv me da million wen ya get it as god i order u 2 do tht 
wow only god cud werk da smileys 
