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Nathalia Edenmont aka killing animals for art
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Posted By:
sam
Dec 02, 2004
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I've seen all sorts of brutally hateful comments on the internet, directed at this artist. I'm unsure, though, if she actually kills the animals or if it is just an elaborate Photoshopping? It seems to me that she'd be in some trouble if she were openly killing animals for the purpose of art.
Something seems wrong-- it's too controversial.
heres the link:
http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/archive/nathalia/nathalia_main.htm
Any comments, thoughts?
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Comments
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Rex D.
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 | 03:42 PM
And the elderly too, I'd like for them to not have to live in nursing homes where they are abused emotionaly, verbally, and physicaly. Also to have social security retirement pay a little more than just enough to survive. I've seen too many elderly struggling to live and they have spent their whole lives with that same struggle. When do they get a break? |
Maegan
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 | 03:52 PM
Exactly my thoughts, Rex. I joke with my mom a lot about putting her in a home...but I would never really do that. I've volunteered in a nursing homw & it's awful the way the people are treated. It's not really their physical well-being that's an issue, but their mental. The nurses & orderlies talk down to them, yell at them, get frustrated when the patient doesn't understand.
Also, I'm of the feeling that any person who has ever been convicted of a crime against a child should be sterilized. Men & women. I'll get off the soapbox now...you all can go on talking about animal killing. |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 03:25 AM
Human beings and their ancestors have been killing and eating animals for, oh, about two million years now. But within the last fifty years, a couple of lunkheads come along and say, "Stop! This is wrong!" Nope. I won't stop. Dead animals taste damned good, and I'm going to eat them.
I, too agree with Maegan. We should be more concerned with how we treat each other than how we treat animals at this point. Especially children. They are this species' future. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 04:10 AM
Yeah, we've been using them for nurishment, and it may be wrong to end the existance an animal that did nothing wrong, but taking their life for art? Are you kidding me? |
Maegan
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 10:17 AM
Besides...if no one killed animals for food...How the HELL would you expect to get a good steak?
P.S. I'm so very warm right now in my leather jacket. Mmmm...warmth. Do you really think I'd be able to get this warm with corn husks??? |
Hannah
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 01:00 PM
What are you, Japanese? We don't eat domesticated animals. We eat deer, cow, pig! Oh yes and not to mention pigs (farm kind) can never really be fully domesticated. We don't eat mice torsos either! Bugbearsloth and Maegan, you make no sense! And leather is from cows, not cats. Bugbearsloth, you eat dead cats? Please! Not to mention there are always things like funds and sending food and stuff to childs in need. It is still a problem, but people are working on it! |
Hannah
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 01:02 PM
Marilyn Manson is a he she! |
Maegan
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 01:20 PM
"What are you, Japanese?"
-That is just wrong on so many levels.
"but people are working on it!"
-Not as quickly as they are working on saving some mice bodies. Mice are gross anyway. They run about in garbage & carry diseases. I'm glad the nasty little pink ones get fed to snakes. (Because snakes can be raised for food).
Also, who is this "we" you speak of...is "we" people who are NOT Japanese? Or are "we" people who are Japanese? Are "we" people who like Marilyn Manson? I'm confused about this "we". Please explicate this "we".
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BugbearSloth
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 02:47 PM
Hannah - Yes, I have eaten cat. Also, you can make leather from the skin of about any animal. Maybe not armadillos. Yep, I've eaten armadillo, too. Tastes like possum. We do eat domesticated animals. Maybe not so much in the US, but then again the US is less than 5% of the world's population.
Taking care of children is something EVERYONE needs to do, not just SOME PEOPLE. |
Maegan
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 04:27 PM
Soft-shell turtle is like lamb...pigeons are gross...& they're not worth the beebee you shot them with.
Main Entry: 1leath |
REX D.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 05:42 PM
You guys are fun Maegan an Bug. Hannah, the manson thing was a joke. |
Janna
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 10:17 PM
Hi everyone! Just saw this forum, and hey guys there is stuff here that I have to say. Firstly, huh humm..... Maegan, I am sorry but you are a DITZ. Also sorry that you can |
Patches
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 10:51 PM
yes, she does kill them. This is how her gallery responded to people like me trying to petition and blacklist her from galleries.
"Dear Animal Friends,
The work by Nathalia Edenmont that we (The Wetterling Gallery) are currently exhibiting position within the same ethical and legal regulations that constitutes our society in whole. Every day, animals are sacrificed to end up as decorations on jackets or on a meat stack in order to stabilize our economy. Edenmont is asking us whether we think the over consumption of our affluent western society is civilized.
Edenmont explores the moral and ethical structures and she is careful to move within what the law permits. This is not for arts sake! She is not exploring what art permit, that is already constituted, she is provoking the laws of society. If you find it immoral, you see exactly what Edenmonts is trying to point out to you. Her message to you is to think critically, and see through conventions and shams that lead to unreasonable injustice to animal and man.
It saddens me that you have "blacklisted" our exhibition on your respected website. You have drawn conclusions from articles in less valued newspapers. The animals that were used for the installations were bred to be snakefood, or simply "put away" as they were not wanted anymore by the petowners.
Please don |
Lia
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 11:09 PM
There is really no conflict between saving the animals and caring for the children and elderly of this world. In fact we could feed all the worlds starving if we did not produce meat. We could feed the worlds starving if we instead used 30 times LESS ENERGY in producing protein rich vegetables. This is a scientific fact.
So if YOU want to save the children of the world the first step you should take is to become a vegetarian.
Cruelty starts with animals and moves on to humans. Most criminals convicted of killing or abusing humans (children and grown ups) started with doing it to animals, but since that kind of violence is not considered a crime they were not caught in time before they started their cruelty on their fellow humans. Many psychological studies of interns show above facts.
Man ate meat through time because man got used to eating meat when living as nomads, since the nature around us was not friendly enough to settle down and grow vegetables in. We now live in a developed nation which can produce everything we need without much suffering, why are we not? Because people are uneducated and unwilling and GREEDY. The big companies earn to much money on making you fat so why would they let our government feed the poor for free?
There are also many materials that keep you as warm as animal skin. Just go shopping and you'll see.
I did not mean that we should have murdered humans on artistic display, I meant that it would be AS horrible as displaying murdered cats, rabbits or other animals.
Stopping artists like Ms. Edenmont from doing this is more likely to decrease acts of violence at a total, not likely at all to make the children or elderly suffer.
Life is sacred, all life and we need to start treating it as such.
All the best/Lia |
Lia
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 | 11:35 PM
Once again, the only people Nathalia Edenmont affects are the people who think her actions are wrong. People like Maegan above does not care about Nathalias art since she does not think it is wrong to kill any animals. So what other real purpose does Edenmont have than greed and making sure she is the next big thing in the art world? The income she makes from the photos and the death of the animals, does not go to animal shelters or to help starving children, they go in to her own pockets.
Edenmont has also said she is not a vegetarian and does not find killing animals wrong, so she is not trying to fight any nobel cause, whatever the Wetterling Gallery says. They too want their commission of her paintings, so naturally they will say anything not to get blacklisted.
It is sad to dress up cruelty as beauty as Edenmont does. Psychologically it makes people less sesitive to the true nature of violence. |
Suki
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 01:43 AM
"we could feed all the worlds starving if we did not produce meat." yes, that is a fact... but a misleading one... We have enough food right now to feed everyone in this world: a few pounds of food per person, per day, around the world ... even with people producing meat. ...Hunger stricken areas of the world are that way from landlessness, no money to buy the food, people with the food can not access with enough for all at once cargo space wise. In other words hunger is not created by lack of food in whole but by the inability to make it accessible to everyone.. Even if we stopped making meat to have enough to feed people even more a day... we would just have more food as a whole piled up with a wish to go to the hungry places. As far as man learning to eat meat or being vegitarian .... I thought this thread was about killing animals for art .... not killing animals for a sourse of food.
I do agree that there is no conflict between saving a few cats and saving starving kids... you are just saving more things at once ... humans are capable of multitasking.
Maegan and BugbearSloth were for the most part I think having a bit of fun. And that is all cool with me. The Manson thing made me laugh for a while .... and I also have a leather jacket! No one here is a ditz... where is the love?
I love cats but I can say that there are plenty around and that a few that are put to sleep and put into what ever she calls art is not going to put a dent in the population. Neither is doing in a few Mice or rabbits.... you know how fast and how much those breed. She is not using endangered animals ... I might have a problem if I saw a bunch of Cheetah heads on sticks or panda foot vases. ... I feel more outraged about the treatment of veal then I do about her pictures.
Heck, this guy's art is more disturbing http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,669680,00.html .. even if the people donated their bodies ... it is just creepy to look at. This guy even wanted to preserve 2 people copulating and wanted to disect a human in public ...saying it would be educational. o_O That is way over the top compaired to Nathalia.
I think the uproar is mostly because she is using animals that us humans have classified as "cute and lovable" (yes many people find mice to be cute fuzz balls).
I doubt you would hear as many people screaming if she went fishing for the purpose of putting ugly Mackerel heads on her fingers.
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Rex D.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 03:29 AM
Yes, that may be over the top, but still fun. I am going to say this and that now. But I don't give a shit what is thought of me, cuz' personaly(- Maegan, Bug, Alex B., Paul, Hairy, Myst, Sam, Sabrina P., and I know, I'm missing somebody, (are the coolest).Help me out. I forgot someone.
Any name not mentioned, I'm not even going to tell you. Use your imagination. Let the good times roll.
Who was forgotten?( my humblest of apologies to you)? |
Rex D.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 03:42 AM
This has got to the point where it's just funny. People are arguing. I don't see why anyone has to get to that point in a discussion. Fuck off to those of you who can't figure out how to talk. I know that seems hypocriticle, me bitching at bitch's but what's more fun than not making sense? The way I see it, your dumb and I'm going to get a laugh out of you if your dumb, but your going to play like your not dumb, I'm going to laugh even harder. Dumb-ass! |
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:26 PM
Hurrah, Rex. Also, just to defend myself here. I was typing at WORK. I live in Florida & the temperature in the building is controlled in Cleveland, OHIO. They kick on the AC so that the PCs run well & no one falls asleep. Since I'm a natural-born Floridian...I can't really handle temperatures below about 77 degrees.
I DO care about animals, I have had lots of pets that I cared for. BUT, in my own (humble) opinion...I feel that this is not as disgusting as child porn, molestation, incest, rape, murder...etc. I'm just saying that everyone is making a HUGE deal out of something that is a little lower on my "offended & outraged" list than on other's.
I'm not that big on beef. I prefer fish (damn mercury poisoning...now THAT'S a shame!) or chicken. To my family, a HUGE salad (we're talking a whole head of iceberg, 3 or 4 romaine hearts, baby spinach, that red/purple stuff I can't remember the name of, peppers, tomatoes, cheese, nuts, seeds...) is a meal. I'm not going to share my views about starvation in 3rd world countries & devastation elsewhere...b/c that's not for this post...but there is a reason people are starving & their lands have been dried up by the sun. God gave dominion (supreme authority : SOVEREIGNTY)over the animals to Adam. That dominion passed to each generation, getting farther & farther away from the original plan until people have actually let animals take dominion over THEM! Excuse me for my long-windedness, but I feel like SOME people jumped into a thread & unraveled it. We've heard from people who are so sad this is happening, people who are shocked this is happening, hippies, and (as you can see by this particular post) people who aren't all that concerned that animals are dying.
Now someone get my a damn knife, my kitten-steak is getting COLD! |
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:27 PM
Get ME...get ME. Sorry. |
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