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Hidalgo/Frank T. Hopkins
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Posted By:
Bob Schroeck
Nov 24, 2004
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I've been a long-time reader of the Museum site and have enjoyed it greatly. Now finally comes my chance to offer something back! (Assuming, of course, the search mechanism for the forums isn't broken and I'm not repeating someone's earlier suggestion...)
In the wake of renting the 2003 Disney/Touchstone movie "Hidalgo" (billed as a "true story"), I wanted to learn more about Frank Hopkins and his achievements. Google led me right away to the following site:
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/hopkins.htm
A thoroughly documented set of pages and links that show that the "true" story of Frank Hopkins is not just a hoax, but apparently so blatant a fabric of falsehoods that some historians are wondering how or why anyone believes it. Especially telling are the Buffalo Bill museum disclaiming any knowledge of Hopkin's alleged "starring roles" in Cody's Wild West Show, and the Arab historians who not only state authoritatively that the so-called "Ocean of Fire" race Hopkins claims to have won never existed, but also point out that any "3000-mile" race in the Middle East would have to have its finish line somewhere in Eastern Europe...
Looks like a perfect topic to cover in the Museum!
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Chica
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 | 02:13 PM
You guys are just spreading stupid stuff! It is a true story!!! I have researched it and there is really a horse named HIDALGO!!! I looked in buying his granddaughter of his! But she was too much money for me! But for real Frank Hopkins and Hidalgo are real!! |
good god
in anywhere
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 | 03:30 AM
Does your mommy know you're online? |
Sleeps with Dogs
in Wichita Kansas
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 04:26 PM
It is unfortunate that modern man (latter 20th century & early 21st)is so temporally arrogant, that he believes only in court orders,written contracts, acedemic verification, public record etc. etc. etc. People who don't believe in heros shouldn't go to the movies. - Sleeps with Dogs I'm from Bleeding Kansas p.s. Bob S.,the race wasn't in a straight line. |
Charybdis
in Hell
Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 04:54 PM
There are plenty of heroes out there who actually accomplished the things they claimed to have done. Why should we give equal credit to people who hoax us? By accepting claims that have no value you are in fact undermining the very real acts of heroism that occur every day. To willingly accept a fraud alongside real heroes relegates everything those heroes accomplished to history's back shelf. To accept fantasy over fact is shameful. |
Rolling Thunder
in The Great Plains
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 06:15 PM
Dear Charybdis in Hell..............Please say hello to my stepmother,...........I considered your comments to contain some very intellegent & valid points. However,once I consider the source, it dawned on me that there are no heros in Hell(sorry)...............right on Chica! |
Charybdis
in Hell
Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 | 01:44 PM
Right. In other words, you really don't know what you're talking about and will use any excuse to avoid answering my criticism, including something as stupid as my location being listed as Hell. |
who are not as others
in land, sea and air
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 | 07:08 PM
More publicity for Vickie Ives, more promotion of the Hidalgo myth, from the Seattle Times.
(rolls eyes)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002905213_horserace02.html |
CuChullaine O'Reilly
in Zurich, Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 | 11:24 AM
Shame on Santa Fe !
It is indeed ironic that the organizers of the so-called Santa Fe race have sought their inspiration in the misdeeds of the horse-killing Aubry and the lies of the Old West charlatan Frank Hopkins.
I suggest people read this article by the respected equestrian journalist Don Blazer.
http://www.donblazer.com/ahorseofcourse/0301_b_ahorse.html
Don puts it all in a nutshell when he concludes that Aubry was a monster in a saddle who brutally rode his horses to death.
Likewise, to learn how Hopkins pulled off the most extensive equestrian hoax in history please visit this link at The Long Riders' Guild website - http://www.thelongridersguild.com/hopkins.htm
To participate in the ancient art of endurance racing is a fine thing.
But to ride in this lurid spectacle not only enriches the organizers, it unjustly enhances the memory of the two biggest equestrian villains in the history of the Old West.
Shame on Santa Fe if this race occurs !
CuChullaine O'Reilly F.R.G.S.
Founder - The Long Riders' Guild |
DALE ROMANO
in ST PETERSBURG, FL
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 | 05:26 PM
"BASED ON A TRUE STORY" - THE OPERATIVE WORD HERE IS ** BASED **. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THIS IS A TRUE STORY. HILDAGO WAS A WONDERFUL MOVIE. |
Lee
in Somewhere on Earth
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 | 12:51 AM
Yes, that is often said by people who want to justify this business, and is your caps lock key stuck? |
Gallegher
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 | 07:35 PM
It never said..."Based on a true story"..I believe it said..."Based on the life of Frank T. Hopkin's". Who cares anyways? |
Elliott Rosen
in somewhere
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 | 11:37 AM
Who cares "anyways"?
Lots of people care "anyways." About historical fact and not building up people who don't deserve it. |
Jinkies. you people are such losers
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 | 12:37 AM
It was a movie, a good ole Hollywood movie
"BASED on a true story" (duh, the words "based on" should give you a freakin clue that its embellished - you ridiculous turnip eating rubes)
Why don't you people do something useful with your lives, like jump off cliffs with all of your families and friends.
If any one of you had accomplished anything in your meaningless pathetic lives, you wouldn't be ripping apart the memory of a dead man and a MOVIE that is BASED on a true story. Really, I hope you all get hit by trucks. |
Clarence Beeks - definitely not a "Hero"
in A movie, moron....
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 | 01:51 AM
I didnt include your stupid name but your babble really irritated me, because you talk about "facts" and "value" and "real" heroes but you lack of knowledge of the "facts" is annoying,
so here ya go, flabby:
There are plenty of heroes out there who actually accomplished the things they claimed to have done.
(Obviously you aren't one of those heroes, or you wouldn't have such a huge problem with Frank Hopkins - why don't you do some real research about the man, read the articles he wrote about the humane care of horses, his knowledge of natural medicine for horses, if you do the research, you will find that Frank Hopkins never actually claimed he did anything, and was always described as a quiet man, the crazy embellished stories about him were written about other people in an effort to make money)
Why should we give equal credit to people who hoax us?
(Again, please, for the love of Hidalgo, get your fat head out of your ass. Frank Hopkins didn't try hoax us. He never wrote anything about his exploits. There were some crazy stories written by his wife after his death in an effort to make money. Also, There is a difference between a hoax and a movie that is made for the purpose of entertainment, the words "based on" should have given you a clue, but somehow you seem to overlook that)
By accepting claims that have no value you are in fact undermining the very real acts of heroism that occur every day.
(Its cool if you have decided Frank Hopkins' story and the movie Hidalgo have no value to YOU....but if other people enjoyed the movie, and want to believe in a beautiful story despite that there isn't overwhelming evidence to show the story is completely factual, why do you have a problem with that? A lot of people believe in the Bible, but because we can't prove every word of it is true by your ridiculous standards we should consider it a hoax and throw it in the trash? If the movie Hidalgo inspires people, and if someone wants to believe Frank Hopkins was a hero, it undermines absolutely nothing - Who are you to preach and yes you sound very preachy - your opinion means the same as mine - nothing - so get off your high horse)
To willingly accept a fraud alongside real heroes relegates everything those heroes accomplished to history's back shelf.
(Complete Horse-shit, please explain how the "real" heroes - [and who are the "real" heroes anyway - are they a couple of streets down from the "real" killers and in the next county over by the "real" God] are relegated to history's back shelf? And where is history's back shelf anyway? I never heard of history's back shelf....and how many shelves does history have, is there just a front and back or is there a middle? and and do these shelves have upper and lower shelves like a bookcase? Maybe you should have said history's book case, bottom shelf...either way you're pseudo-intelligent babble makes no sense. I think history's shelves are stuck up your big fat ass, and have a feeling we might find your brain up there too. And again, who has committed fraud here? ....no one is filling out a loan application, or trying to get a credit card, someone just made a movie BASED ON a person's life)
To accept fantasy over fact is shameful.
(Again, Is it shameful to believe in Jesus? In many peoples eyes, he was a hero, What about Allah? or Buddha? we have no proof they existed, just stories handed down over thousands of years.
You sound like a frustrated person to me, jealous, judgemental, and ignorant. As Roger Ebert said "Get a life" |
Diamond Jim
in Somewhere on Earth
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 | 06:37 AM
Allah = God. Allah is Arabic for God.
It figures that someone who would make an ignorant statement like that defends Frank Hopkins the way you do, and also criticizes other people's names.
While it may be true that some find the movie entertaining, we said, that despite what some people insist, it wasn't based on historical fact. Facts are important to people; they're funny like that.
You seem terrified that people insist on fidelity to the truth. I suggest that you're the one who needs to get a life. |
Your pal Clarence
in you know where
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 | 12:20 AM
Hi Diamond Jim, I find it ironic, that you, my dear, sweet, little friend who sits up till 3:37 am, typing away in the wee hours of the morning while most people sleep or are out actually doing something with other humans, tells me to get a life (ha! irony in its purest form)
This one's for you lonely boy: Rather than being terrified of "The Truth" Im quite fascinated by the concept of truth, and how hard some people will fight, even kill for the "truth" that they believe in.
You might want to consider going to a community college to expand your mind, because I don't think you will get this next statement: Truth is subjective, and history is written by the victorious, the rich and the powerful. History or the "truth" has been written, re-written, erased and written again in every culture since the beginning of time. Have you ever been to Egypt and seen the monuments and walls where one King's name is stricken and replaced with another? Have you ever read the deleted passages and Gospels of the Christian bible? I could go on and on with more examples of "Truths" that were once considered fact but were gone the once the next group decided they wanted to re-write the "Truth". Not to mention that most nomadic peoples (namely American Indian and Bedouin) history is mostly oral history and many truths get lost over time. I know that this might be a hard concept for you. Its ok.
The truth is, that Hidalgo was a movie. No one ever claimed it was a documentary..."BASED on a true story or "BASED on the life of Frank T Hopkins" does not mean that its actual fact. Just keep telling yourself - its only a movie, its only a movie....so you can finally get some sleep.
I think the ignorance is yours, since you just can't wrap your head around that concept. You feel such a need to tear down a movie and a dead man in the name of "defending the truth" when you have no concept of truth yourself.
Why shouldn't I defend Frank Hopkins, he was a human being. There isn't any proof he did anything terrible. The man isn't Hitler, he isn't Idi Amin, come on, why do you and others hate him so much? That is my question. And if you think I am ignorant because I defend people who can't defend themselves (because they are dead)then Im so glad, you thinking that I am ignorant is my absolute bliss.
And yes DJ Jazzy Jim (oooh, pardon my ignorance for making fun of your made up internet name) I know Allah means God in Arabic, (being that my father is Saudi) however most people that believe in Allah don't consider him the "same" God that a Christian believes in, hence the seperative use there, sorry, again that might be difficult for you to understand)
Whoo boy, Im buying the first round of drinks tonight in honor of you Diamond Jimmy Jammy Judgement....please be so kind as to post an address where snail mail can reach you, I would like to send you some money so you can go back to school....the only condition being that you must take film study, as they explain the difference between a documentary and an Action/Adventure movie BASED on someone's life. Love ya. I wish you much success and good fortune in the future, fighting for "THE TRUTH!" |
Diamond Jim
in somewhere on Earth
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 | 01:02 PM
You need to stay off the Internet while you're drunk, kid. |
George
in PA
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 | 07:57 AM
The movie was good but we'll never know if it was fact or fantasy. If you want a true story that is a bit more contemporary, either read the book, "Rocket Boy" or rent the movie, "October Sky." It's about a kid in the late 50's that is so wowed by Sputnik that he teaches himself how to build real but scaled down rockets. There's a lot more to the story than this but you would never know it if you rent the movie. Suffice it to say this kid does good and eventually becomes a NASA engineer. So if you really want fact, stop wasting your time on FRANK T. |
Charles Ponzi
in in Hell
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 | 06:09 PM
Hey, lay off me! I know what I did on earth, but I'm dead! So give me a break! |
Abella Cabella
in Putrid Pankytown, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 | 07:24 PM
Mwah! So funny....Angelo told me about you ravers and I just had to check it out. You guys are Sooo funny....Hey, you know what's not a hoax?
That actor that played Hidalgo's dude is HOT. Forgot his name, but that guy is on fire, fire fire, fire.....
Hotter than Hell. Someone get me a fan....
I agree about the truth thing, especially about events so long ago, no one will ever know for sure. Rock it punks! Hope y'all find the truth....pardners...hee hee |
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