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Hidalgo/Frank T. Hopkins
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Posted By:
Bob Schroeck
Nov 24, 2004
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I've been a long-time reader of the Museum site and have enjoyed it greatly. Now finally comes my chance to offer something back! (Assuming, of course, the search mechanism for the forums isn't broken and I'm not repeating someone's earlier suggestion...)
In the wake of renting the 2003 Disney/Touchstone movie "Hidalgo" (billed as a "true story"), I wanted to learn more about Frank Hopkins and his achievements. Google led me right away to the following site:
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/hopkins.htm
A thoroughly documented set of pages and links that show that the "true" story of Frank Hopkins is not just a hoax, but apparently so blatant a fabric of falsehoods that some historians are wondering how or why anyone believes it. Especially telling are the Buffalo Bill museum disclaiming any knowledge of Hopkin's alleged "starring roles" in Cody's Wild West Show, and the Arab historians who not only state authoritatively that the so-called "Ocean of Fire" race Hopkins claims to have won never existed, but also point out that any "3000-mile" race in the Middle East would have to have its finish line somewhere in Eastern Europe...
Looks like a perfect topic to cover in the Museum!
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Suraj (An Indian)
in india
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 | 03:23 AM
hello everyone, i read all above comments about the great Frank Hopkins. i don't know why people are not ready to believe on the true story of frank hopkins which come as "Hidalgo" movie. i think more of above comments might have been written by different distance horse rider (the losers). They could not do any thing in their lives so they are jealous to Mr. frank hopkins. Shame on you all. A movie and so many different sites can not be made on a fake man. He was a real hero. |
zenzicube
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 | 02:41 PM
Has anyone noticed how many of the sources cited as proof by the Long Riders Guild quote the founders of the Long Riders Guild? Since when is a circular proof a valid proof at all? Has anyone noticed how many of the other sources are reviews by movie critics? Those critics don't cite their sources at all, so we can't even find out if they were credible or not. Maybe Hopkins was a fraud, but if would be nice if they actually provided more than weak, circular arguments to prove it.
Fusco openly admitted that he embellished Hopkins' story. He admitted that he made up the name 'Ocean of Fire', hunting leopards, bandit ambuscades, and other fantastical element of the story himself. If someone else dreamt up these stories, how does that make Hopkins the charlatan? According to the O'Reillys, Hopkins is a fraud because *he* promulgated these stories. Is Hopkins guilty of other people's lies?
I have no idea how much of Hopkins' story was true or not, but I can only regard Basha and CuChulain O'Reilly, and their methodology, with suspicion. |
sapphire
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 | 12:00 PM
*hello everyone, i read all above comments about the great Frank Hopkins. i don't know why people are not ready to believe on the true story of frank hopkins which come as "Hidalgo" movie.*
Simple. It's not true. |
sapphire
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 | 12:01 PM
*Has anyone noticed how many of the sources cited as proof by the Long Riders Guild quote the founders of the Long Riders Guild? Has anyone noticed how many of the other sources are reviews by movie critics?*
No, apparently nobody else but you has "noticed" this stuff you mention. |
Deputy Dave
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 | 01:10 PM
I wasn't going to bother with any further comments, but it is raining right now, and this is just too easy.
Bud, you are quite possibly correct about my alleged contradiction. Disney claims the movie is "based on a true story". How much of it is true? It's hard to determine. The "Ocean of Fire" did not take place. And there are no records to prove Frank T. Hopkins worked for Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. But, what of the rest of the movie?
I will agree that Disney pushed it a bit too far with the tagline: "The true story of a man who went halfway around the world to find himself". That statement is false.
Lightbourn, just in case you are including me in "They're the ones..." and "...call them names", check out this link:
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/Word02.htm
Pointing out CuChullaine O'Reilly is also known as Asadullah Khan is not name-calling. Just the truth. And we all know how important the truth is on this forum.
And, if truth is all that is driving this topic, why are the detractors not attacking other movies? How about "Dreamer"? It is another movie about a horse. It is stated to be "Inspired by a true story". Well heck, we all know Mariah's Storm did not go on to win the Breeder's Cup, (she finished 9th). And we even have two characters that are Arabs. Princes, even. So, why no attacks on the veracity of this movie?
The unfortunate truth is this controversy is politically-driven. The villains in "Hidalgo" are Arabs, the hero an American. And we just cannot have that in a politically-correct world, now can we. It is an insult to left-wing liberals everywhere. (No, lightbourn, I'm not name-calling).
Check out the Longriders Guild and you will see the O'Reilly's attacks are largely against Frank T. Hopkins, not the movie or John Fusco. Again, it is my opinion this is politically driven. Oh, well.
Bud, I'll have to read your book, Expatriate. I enjoy historically correct fiction, and it appears to be getting good reviews. And I have looked into some of your artwork. "Good Hair Day" looks interesting. (Anyone else that wishes to see it can go to: http://www.thesexparty.ca/savy-art/good-hair-day-bud-rudesill).
Good luck with the research into belly dancing, (http://www.bellydanceforums.net/im-searching/7369-there-such-thing-nude-bellydancing-10.html).
And, no I am not posting these links as an attack. I merely don't want folks to think I am making anything up. Truth, right?
The rain has stopped, so I've got to get busy. I'll not be posting again, but I will continue reading for the entertainment value. |
Bud Rudesill
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 | 10:52 PM
Dave,
Yes, I think this site is definitely about what is truth and what isn |
Bud Rudesill
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 | 09:02 AM
Beware of a probable identity theft hoax. I just received an email perprtedly from this site. It included what appears to be a legitimate response url that reads as follows:
Thank [img]http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/EE/images/smileys/wink.gifxcnA3ODxvpwysT89dyYIAbvJfML3VFiItypography_img_src_end
width="19" height="19" alt="wink" [/img] Chandi.
I responded to it and believe I have sent persontal information to this hoax site. Don't do what I did.
Bud |
Jose F. Medeiros
in San Jose, California
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 | 01:12 PM
Greetings, I was originally from Rhode Island, and my parents and I moved to San Jose, California in 1972. The Social security office had my mother listed as Tecuma. Did John Hopkins, "Hidalgo " have a daughter named Tecuma? This may be an error in their database as my parents told me that we migrated from Portugual, when I was two and my mother's name is Telma. |
HGH
in Florida
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 | 08:19 AM
Thanks for |
Mei Wood
in Portland
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 | 08:52 PM
I think you all need to watch the movie "Big Fish." I think it's going WAY far to make the stories of this man's life into a hoax--different times, different strokes. While I believe it's highly likely he fabricated his stories, I believe it is just as likely that he meant no harm, and that he was truly attempting to convey a far larger message. Microscopic egos tend to make mountains out of molehills . . . |
158 glasses of guanabana juice
in ...
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 | 04:40 PM
*While I believe it's highly likely he fabricated his stories, I believe it is just as likely that he meant no harm, and that he was truly attempting to convey a far larger message. Microscopic egos tend to make mountains out of molehills*
Could have been a cry for help on Frank Hopkins' part, all this tall-tale telling. |
oyun oyna
in istanbul
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 | 03:26 PM
These are all true facts. He was a big mouth lier but he still did wild and crazy things and was an adventurer and I am sure an interesting man. He was Codys partner in the Wild West Show and also a guide for Brigham Young and others headed west. Cody said JYN was the biggest lier he ever met and my great grandmother, the most honost woman I ever knew, said Cody was a prize winning lier as well. These people were notorious, advertursome, exciting and dishonost |
sapphire
in ....
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 | 03:23 PM
For being gullible? |
sapphire...
in ...
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 | 11:27 PM
Looks like the post I replied to got deleted. |
derrick
in utah
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 | 01:25 AM
Some of the greatest legends of history are not fully accurate. The Iliad, Robin Hood, King Author, and many other rich tales of human endeavor cannot be authenticated. The value of these tales were never tied to the amount of reality they contained. Conversely, their value is in the larger than life tale, the hero who overcomes, the spirit of human triumph, these make the legend great. For myself, I hope Hopkins did it and if not, I hope he wished he had, and told the tale well. I hope never to live in a world filled only with truth, accurate and uninspired! Thanks Hopkins for the tale however you got it!!! |
Tommy
in ...
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 07:36 PM
Why glorify a pathological liar? |
Rocket German
in US
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 | 03:34 AM
This is rather interesting, this discovery is attractive, i will clear look at it. |
Joy Green
in US
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 | 03:42 AM
I like the story of Frank Hopkins either, I never know about this, a big thanks for sharing. |
Gary Gaskill
in Tennessee
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 | 01:19 PM
Here's the scoop on Frank T Hopkins(according to my research).The 1880 U.S. Census shows that he was born in New York <1865>. His father was Roger Hopkins, who worked in a sawmill. His mother, born in NY, was a housekeeper. He had 2 siblings, Matie, age 11, and Nora, age 9. He was never an employee of Buffalo Bill's "Wild West Show" and never traveled to Arabia. [Source] The Long Rider's Guild, Review of "Hildalgo" by Cynthia Culbertson. His employment included a stint as a ditchdigger, and as a horse handler for the Ringling Brothers Circus. |
Gary Gaskill
in Tennessee
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 | 02:09 PM
For an interesting Timeline Of Deceit, see "The Hopkins Hoax" at thelongridersguild.com/hoax-deceit.htm |
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