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The Biggest Hoax of History!!!
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Posted By:
yitzie99
Oct 19, 2004
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This is just to all those that think they're sceptics, but at the same time, beleive in God and all types of spiritual stuff that are basicly the biggest hoax of all time, and there are usually signs to the intent of the hoax: Christianity only became an established religion around 300 years after christ died, so it's also unlikely that we know what year or even what day Jesus has died, but at around that time they were on the brinks of a major social disaster, and the ingenious advisors of the time realized that a bunch of superstitious citizens were less likely to commit crime, so there was less of a patroll for the government, we see in judiasm that there has never been proof that the jews were ever in egypt or of any other things concerning their earlier years, so to say that what actually happened (the miracles that were supposed) to make religion, would be a guess and just like every other hoax- a matter of beleive.
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Maegan
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 | 09:59 AM
Umm...
Every hoax isn't a matter of "beleive". Lots of things can be proven wrong beyond any reasonable doubt. The reason religion doesn't fall into the 'hoax' category is because you can't disprove faith. And yes, there have been some religions, like Heaven's Gate, who are "out there", but based on their own faith & belief there religion was not a hoax. But when a photo has been chopped up and put thru the works & can be proven false, then you have a hoax.
Besides, what the hell does "established religion" mean? Established is relative. |
Nick
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 | 12:40 PM
indeed. the suggestion that Christianity is a hoax is an odd one- i myself am no Christian but can tell you with some certainty that the first Christian Church emerged at Ephesus and was fully established by 130AD. Before then 'Christianity' as it is has become known, was a sect within Judaism, just as were the Scribes and Pharisees. The breakaway only came due to their persecution- were it not for one hell of a marketing campaign it would have fizzled out pretty sharpish.
And sort out your grammar for Christ's sake |
Billy-bob
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 | 12:44 PM
You could say that about any religion though, couldn't you. Bush is a religous man. Does that help with his decision making processes in the USA, or hinder? |
Alex B
in San Diego
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 | 01:17 PM
Right, hoaxes are deliberate deceptions... which is why I've never classified any religious belief as a hoax, even though there are some really, really odd ones. Of course, sometimes the beliefs are so odd that you've got to wonder if the people are joking or not, then I'll put them on the site. |
Matt
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 | 01:58 PM
What, exactly, do you mean by "an established religion?" While it was not "established" by law until Constantine, and was not particularly common for its first couple hundred years, there is quite a lot of evidence that Christianity is as old as it claims to be. There are surviving Christian manuscripts from the 100's. Even secular historians generally believe that the Gospels were written around 70-100 AD, and Paul's letters were written earlier than that. There are also historical records, such as Josephus, mentioning that somebody named Jesus led a religious movement at the time.
It is true that we aren't sure of exactly when Jesus was born or died. Even the strictest fundementalists I've met will admit that Jesus almost certainly wasn't born on December 25th, and that the guy who established our modern system of years probably picked the wrong one for when Jesus was supposed to have been born. However, there are enough references to known historical figures that it's possible to make relatively good guesses.
If a religion claims that it was founded by a particular man, and there is good evidence it came into being about the same time they claim this man lived, the rational thing to conclude was that there really was a man by that name and that he founded that religion. This doesn't mean one has to accept any claims that the religion really was divinely inspired, but insisting the founder wasn't a real person without some pretty good evidence is best left to paranoid conspiracy theorists. I've got to wonder if members of other religions have to deal with people insisting that Mohammed, Confucious, Zoraster, or Buddha never existed. Even though I'm a Christian, I have no problem believing these guys were all real people. |
Nick
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 | 08:00 PM
the question of whether or not Jesus actually lived and preached is one that is never raised in theological circles. ever. it is a historical fact that a man named Jesus with a brother John, father Jospeh and mother Mary came from Nazareth, preached, and was crucified at Golgotha. sorry if i seem to be labouring this point, but this is a conspiracy theory too far. |
mr man
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 | 10:10 AM
Exactly. Now, Scientology, THERE's a Fucking HOAX! |
Jack
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 | 11:53 PM
Okay, so we've established that Christianity was first "established" around 130 c.e. But I want all you Christians out there to think about this: Chrisitianity became its separate Church just 100 years after Jesus died. Now, just think of something like that today. Imagine, 50 more years from now, that a religions surrounding Gandhi was founded. Gandhi was just as peaceful, if not more, than Jesus. So why is it improbably that there will be a Gandhi religion? Because back then, people (more so than today) depended more on mythology and story telling. One guy says that Jesus leaped across a pond, the next guy says he jumped across the lake in one step, and pretty soon, Jesus is walking on the water. It's all a telephone game. We just can't do that anymore nowadays; we're too factual to create another religion. |
Hobbes
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 | 12:03 AM
You have all of these contradictions to the faith, and no one believes them. Take this for example:
When the revised editoin of the King James bible came out, all the open-minded, good-willed, moral Christians had an old fashioned book buring fest. Why? Because of one verse. Instead of calling the mother of Jesus a "virgin", the bible called the mother of Jesus a "young woman". Older and more accurate biblical scripts had been found, calling the Mother Mary a "young woman". These texts were in Hebrew; the language in which they were originally inscribed. Why the difference? When the Hebrews translated the bible into Greek, the word for "young woman" was mistranslated as the word for "virgin". If the Hebrews really wanted to call the Mother Mary a virgin, they would have used a completely different word. I'm told by my religious affluents that I just need to have faith, but you know what? I'm not going to follow the peripheral route to persusasion, you shouldn't either; think for yourselves. |
Alex B
in San Diego
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 | 01:29 AM
That's an interesting question. Could a major religion like Christianity be founded today? I'd say, definitely. Consider how many religions only date back to the 19th century: Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh day adventists. Christianity has long been splintering apart into different sects (consider that Christianity was originally a Jewish sect). So any one of those could easily develop into a major world religion. |
penelope
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 | 05:37 PM
People need something to belive in. Everyone has hopes and dreams, im sure evryone out there wouldn't mind winning the lottery every now and then so, this is a dream. Who cares i think its important that peoiple are kind to each other and if christ is the "excuse" then so be it.
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Joe
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 12:26 PM
Can a religion be founded today??? Of course a religion can be founded today!!! This is easily proven.
My religion is called...hmmm, lets go with awesomism. there... a new religion. |
Lothar Ignatius
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 03:20 PM
If awesomism is a non-violent religion than you can count me in! |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 04:17 PM
Jack says, "we're too factual to create another religion". Not so. Just check out Toby Alexander in the DNA Perfection thread. There are many neo-theological things developing around Toby and the other people promoting this. The whole "New Age" thing is basically a construction of religious beliefs and at least a partial rejection of Christianity in its current form.
What about the diefication of Elvis following his death? I can see the "Reformed Church of Elvis" being established in the next 50 years.
I don't consider religion a hoax as much as I consider it a con (confidence game). A few people usurp financial and political power from many. Jesus was strongly against organized religion because of this. And look to what his life has led to... |
Nick
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 | 07:27 PM
does awesomism worship awesomeness in general or is it specific to something particularly awesome? in any case, im so in! |
Niki
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 | 08:21 PM
So it's not possible for another religion to be establish in this day and age because people rely on facts and not myths...right Jack? And Christianity was based more on myths and stories. So why not try to prove that Christianity is not real? if you look you'll not only find out it is. But you'll also see that even other religions like Judaism, Mormonism, Hindu, and Buddaism all acknowledge that Jesus was real. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 | 08:20 PM
If a person had an accident which caused permanent damage to the "God Module" located on the frontal lobe of the brain, would they no longer be able to even understand the word God, or anything theological for that matter. What if God doesn't exist and the idea of God is a glich in our thought processes due to the presence of the "God Module", which is not a beliefe I subscribe to, but that's apparently what the latest research is saying about God and the God Module. Is that a pointless question to even ask? Are we ever going to have proof beyond a doubt that God/Gods exist? I doubt it.
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BugbearSloth
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 | 02:03 AM
Nick: Awesomism is specific to the awesomeness that emanates from Strong Bad. |
Stephen
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 | 02:54 PM
The hebrew word for Virgin translates to Young woman or something. I do believe most of the KJV is a hoax and re worded. God apparently said himself that he was not an Author of confusion.....so apparently man made the book confusing. Even for an educated person, the bible is hard to follow and Only the preist were allowed to view the bible....They were the ones that ran every thing. |
Anomaly88
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 | 02:15 PM
Religion apparently is needed to hold together very fragile mind set of humans beings. Because dying and not going anywhere after death can be hard to swallow for some. Thus enters the religious and political concepts that govern our global society. Image if all people realized that after life there is nothing else. No hell or no heaven; you just die and thanks for a wonderful or not so wonderful life. |
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