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Starchild Project
Posted By:
Art D
Oct 09, 2004
 The Starchild Project now claims to have had a DNA analysis performed on a fragment of bone from the starchild's skull, but all they have been able to 'prove' so far is that the mother was an amerindian. They expect to have a nuclear DNA test performed soon to determine the father. Any comments?

Category: UFOs-ETs; Replies: 67

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Keira
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 | 08:24 PM
It's a perfect skull, neither cradleboarded nor hydrocephalic. Approximately twice as hard as a normal human skull, but much lighter. Microscopic reddish fibers also found in the bone (which is heretofore unheard of in human skull). I also understand that tests for the nuclear DNA were ineffective, but the mitochondrial DNA was identifiable as coming from a human mother. Lloyd Pye is anything but a con man; for many years he's been a serious researcher of hominids. Have known him for the past two decades, and I believe I can vouch for his honesty and dedication to uncovering the truth.
Keira
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 | 09:30 PM
The Starchild Skull is a perfect skull, neither cradleboarded nor hydrocephalic (nothing that matches the typical human skull deformities). Approximately twice as hard as a normal human skull, but much lighter. Microscopic reddish fibers also found in the bone (which is previously unheard of in human skull). I also understand that tests for the nuclear DNA were ineffective, but the mitochondrial DNA was identifiable as coming from a human mother. Lloyd Pye is anything but a con man; for many years he's been a serious researcher of hominoids. His most recent book, The Starchild Skull [Bell Lap Books. www.BellLapBooks.com], contains the following three appendices : Preliminary Analysis of a Highly Unusual Human-Like Skull [Dr. Ted J. Robinson, MD, LMCC, FRCS]. Report on DNA Analysis of Skeletal Remains from Two Skulls [Dr. Jason Eshleman, PhD, Trace Genetics, Inc, Richmond, CA]. and Summary of Inorganic Chemistry Analysis of Starchild Bone [Professor Ken Pye {My Note: no relation to Lloyd}, Director, Kenneth Pye Associates Ltd., Crowthorne, England]. In the first Appendix, Dr. Robinson writes: "...This skull's morphology is so highly unusual as to be unique in my forty years of experience as a medical doctor specializing in plastic and reconstructive surgery of the human cranium. Because of its uniqueness, I undertook an extensive review of literature on craniofacial abnormalities, which failed to uncover a single similar example. In short, is seems to be not only unique in my personal experience, but also unique through the history of worldwide studies of craniofacial abnormalities. This is significant. Specialists who examined the skull, X-rays, and CAT scans were: Dr. David Hodges, Radiologist, Royal Columbian Hospital, New Westminster, BC. Dr. John Bachynsky, Radiologist, New Westminster, BC. Dr. Ken Poskitt, Pediatric Neuroradiologist, Vancouver Children's Hospital. Dr. Ian Jackson, (formerly of Mayo Clinic), Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon, Michigan. Dr. John McNicoll, Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon, Seattle. Dr. Mike Kaburda, Oral Surgeon, New Westminster, BC. Dr. Tony Townsend, Ophthalmologist, Vancouver. Dr. Hugh Parsons, Ophthamologist, Vancouver. Dr. David Sweet, Forensic Odontologist, Vancouver...Dr. Bachynsky saw no evidence of erosion of the skull's inner table. Such erosion would be consistent with a diagnosis of hydrocephaly, so this condition can be ruled out as a cause of the abnormalities expressed. Hydrocephaly also causes widening of the sutures, again not expressed here. Ther was consensus agreement to both of the observations by other experts conversant with these features..."
J Wallace
in New Zealand
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 09:12 AM
Has there been any further developments. I am a geneticist and would love to get my hands on that skull
s.c.
in seattle
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 | 09:09 PM
Has anyone given thought to progeria (rare) or a hydrocephalic disorder (much more common)?
Paul
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 | 10:41 PM
Has anyone given thought to the idea of "progeria (rare) or a hydro cephalic disorder (much more common)?"??????????????????????????

Are you for real? Has anyone given thought to the idea of reading the entire post before beating a dead horse?
BOOM BOOM
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 | 05:55 PM
im not convinced that this skull is the real thing, but the density of the skull puzzled me. as did the tiny fibers they say were woven into the skull making it half as thick but twice as rigid as a normal human skull. whats that about?
Doc1958
in Chicago
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 | 01:29 AM
My instincts tell me this may be legit.Scientists still have problems admiting there is global warming when it slaps them in the face so how can we get some people to admit something like this?It is obviously not a child due to latest research and discovery of impacted teeth.Roots (large)have been detected in the starchild's skull(thousand of years old??)If Pye is hoaxing us he is very good or very bad depending on his true motives.He seems very sincere.Hope one day we will find the truth out....Doc
Anthony
in New York
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 | 11:59 PM
"Roots (large)have been detected in the starchild's skull(thousand of years old??)"

I thought carbon dating suggested it was about 900 years old.

What I find most interesting about the starchild's skull is that the nuclear DNA was inconclusive, along with the reddish fibers found.

I'm no scientist so could someone explain to me what exactly does it mean when nuclear DNA can not be found? Does every human skull contain both nuclear and mitochondrial DNA?

Also, a scientific test was recently performed to find the volume of the brain of the starchild's skull. Basically, bird seed was poured into a normal human skull, poured out and measured to about 200 ml (could be wrong on measurement), however, after doing the same expeirment to the starchild skull, the brain is 15% larger than a normal human brain, which is also interesting.
Matthew
in Anchorage, Alask
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 | 01:16 PM
I'm surprised that nobody had done this yet...or maybe they have, but I missed it. Do a search for Trace Genetics, the company that did the genetic work. It doesn't exist. There isn't one article with their name, they never sold stock, etc. No information can be found.

Do a search for all the, "Experts that examined the skull." I can't find any that even exist or existed in the past, but I've only search for 3 so far. Doctors information is normally available on hospital websites, right? Or, at least somewhere on the internet.

Hopefully, Mr. Loyd Pye, the "Abnormal Information Specialist" (hahaha!!!) get's hit by a bus.
Matthew
in Anchorage, Alaska
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 | 08:23 AM
Lloyd seem's like a really nice guy, based on these e-mails, doesn't he? Real legit, too. He even sent his ankle-biter dog Karen after me as PROOF it's an alien! I guess that's all we need. It must be legitimate.

Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:28 AM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
So...ummm...Trace Genetics doesn't seem to exist...and the only
association those "professionals" have is with your bullshit skull, no
other medical contributions....that strikes me as odd. Doesn't it
strike you as odd? Most doctors have a website, facebook, their name
on a list of graduating students....something....anything!

So if you're taking peoples money for, "reasearch," but having
research done by companies that don't exist and by fake doctors and
the like, who's the ass?


Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Reply-To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>

Asshole:

They've moved on in life. One got cancer but has recovered, the other went
to work elsewhere. He's been interviewed on three TV shows now. Please grow
the fuck up!


From: Matthew Thrasher [mailto:mthrasher16@gmail.com]

Karen Lyster <zblue@ihug.co.nz> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM
To: Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>
Cc: Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@gmail.com>
Matthew,......... Matthew,.......... Matthew. Oh dear how many times have I seen emails from extraordinary dumb people like you...... you really need to change your email address to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) as that is MUCH more fitting for the type of "intelligent" emails you send out.

Let me guess, you're either one of the following:

1. A frothing at the mouth Born Again Christian who never does any research, but just slams others for theirs.

2. A product of incest with cross eyes, crossed teeth, and your left brain thinks it's a genius while your right brain argues that it's the genius.

3. Just a plain fuckwit who hasn't read any proper research on the subject as IF you had, you'd never had written what you did in the first place.

4. You are indeed GOD and knows everything, but are still trying to cut your apron strings from your real father Satan which explains the need to call innocent "skulls" "scum". Since when has ANY skull being scum - I mean "hey DUMB FUCK, it's dead!

5. You're just mentally challenged and haven't even got a clue that the world is round and not flat.

I pick "most of the above" - must be terrible to be as mentally challenged as you are. I'm so sorry you don't know that 1 + 1 = 2. But hey LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, YOU'LL COME BACK SMARTER IN YOUR NEXT LIFE!! SOMETHING LIKE A WALNUT.

Now isn't that something to look forward too!!! So don't worry Matthew, you have such good things to look forward to in your next time around. But for now, just so you keep safe, I'd go lock yourself in the toilet because guess what... THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF "SCUM" SKULLS deep down underneath your feet.

STOP WALKING ON DEAD PEOPLE!

Ok you mental midget.... fuck off and leave Lloyd alone, if you want to fight I suggest you go play in traffic - you know.. the lanes with the really big trucks in them.

ALL MY LOVE FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER, you poor mentally challenged thing you.

Karen
XOXOXOXOXO
Matthew
in Anchorage, Alaska
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 | 08:24 AM
From: "Lloyd Pye" <lloydpye@gmail.com>
To: "'Matthew Thrasher'" <mthrasher16@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:09 AM
Subject: RE: Hi
[Quoted text hidden]
Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
But even companies that use to exist have information available on
them. Saturn pulls up tons of info, so does Bear Sterns, Edsel. Trace
Genetics has nothing.

You're deceiving people. Why are you ripping people off Lloyd?

Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Reply-To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>

You're a moronic asshole with no real idea of what you're talking about.

From: Matthew Thrasher [mailto:mthrasher16@gmail.com]

Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
What don't I have an idea about? I'm just going off everything your
website says...using all you're evidence. I just don't get why none
of it adds up to 'Kinky Alien Baby.' None of it really adds to
anything. I'm just asking why...and as a "scientist" you should
appreciate that, right? We ask why a lot.

So again, why are you ripping people off, Lloyd?

Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Reply-To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>

I'm not ripping anyone off, you moron. If you Google Trace Genetics they're
all over the place, including an official report on my website. Stop
bothering me with this grossly uninformed ignorance....


From: Matthew Thrasher [mailto:mthrasher16@gmail.com]

Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:49 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
[Quoted text hidden]
Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
HOW DOES IT ADD UP TO ALIEN BABY LLOYD?!?!?!
Matthew
in Anchorage, Alaska
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 | 08:31 AM
Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Reply-To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>

Genetics, asshole, pure, simple genetics....look it up.

From: Matthew Thrasher [mailto:mthrasher16@gmail.com]

Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:56 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Oh I know about genetics, trust me. But saying that the mother was
human doesn't and the father was inconclusive doesn't mean anything.
All it means is that the mother was human. That's all. A lack of
evidence doesn't beget evidence. So...next?

Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Reply-To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>

You obviously don't know shit about genetics AND you haven't read much of
anything regarding the Starchild. Quit bothering me until you do some
homework.

From: Matthew Thrasher [mailto:mthrasher16@gmail.com]

Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:05 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
I read your whole Starchild site. I still want to see this genetic
proof you have, Lloyd. Lloyd, the world needs to see all your proof
to legitimize your claims, and so that you can prove your not a hoax.
It's important. I've done plenty of homework, Lloyd, I promise. All
I'm asking for is some real proof, some real evidence, but you seem
hesitant to show it to me...why is that, Lloyd?

Karen Lyster <zblue@ihug.co.nz> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:05 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>
Good god Thrasher - I hope you don't reproduce. It's better to allow a blowfly raise a family in one of your nostrils than spreading your incredibly fucked up GENETICS around the globe.

You "obviously" have never read any of the scientific data regarding the Starchild otherwise you'd be something we call "INFORMED".

Please do us all a favour and donate your brain to science so they can find out what the fuck is wrong with you so this "mistake" doesn't occur again on this planet. My god your ignorance on the subject is EMBARRASSING!!! Did you shoot a nail gun into your brain or something.

Now repeat after me:

"Matthew has to do some RESEARCH before spouting off about something he knows nothing about."

And since you obviously have no comprehension what research is - here's the meaning of the word:

Research can be defined to be search for knowledge or any systematic investigation to establish facts. The primary purpose for applied research (as opposed to basic research) is discovering, interpreting, and the development of methods and systems for the advancement of human knowledge on a wide variety of scientific matters of our world and the universe. Research can use the scientific method, but need not do so.


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To: "'Matthew Thrasher'" <mthrasher16@gmail.com>

Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@gmail.com> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Reply-To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>

You're lying. You haven't read the entire website because the proof of the
results of the DNA test in 2003 is there, easy to get to and read. But the
PROOF, with capitals, will not come until we secure the new 454 test that
will recover the entire Starchild genome. Then we can prove not only that
the father is alien, we can prove HOW FAR he and his offspring were from
humans. THAT is the key to what I'm doing. You'd know that if you had
actually read the website.

From: Matthew Thrasher [mailto:mthrasher16@gmail.com]

Karen Lyster <zblue@ihug.co.nz> Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:55 PM
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), Matthew Thrasher <mthrasher16@gmail.com>
Google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 284,000 for trace genetics inc.

Right again Matthew - no results for Trace Genetics Huh??? All the above results from Google don't exist.

Google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 11,800,000 for moron
Doc1958
in Chicago
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 | 08:37 PM
Mr.Pye seems legit I meant "hundreds" of years. not thousands(Anthony from new york)If he is a hoax type guy he will be "outed,sooner or later....P.S.//Personal attacks are so 1980.....DANA from chicago
Ash Doonan
in Australia
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 | 12:46 AM
Hello there everyone,
I have looked through a few comments on this blog in my quest for the Starchild Project,
Yet I havn't found any evidence/proof against Lloyd on the matter,
I could only find comments that take the mick out of Lloyd himself!
What has the world come to,
Also I have read Mattew's latest comment which appears to me to be a email chat,
Mr. Mattew from Alaska has no idea in what he is searching for,
He speaks of 'real' proof well the 'real' proof is displayed through Mr. Pye's website,
What in the name of God are you looking for Matthew?,
What evidence are you looking for?,
You appear to be a very bored gent with nothing to do except harrass those who have a name!
Michael
in Texas
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 | 07:15 AM
Ash,

In scientific matters it does more good for the one making the new claim to provide evidence.

Mr. Pye has not provided evidence for his claim of alien ancestry. In fact, when scientific testing was accomplished on the skull to determine MtDNA lineage, it contradicted Lloyd's claim of Alien ancestry, at least on the maternal side.

This has not ended Lloyd's claim of alien ancestry, in that he now claims paternal alien ancestry rather than maternal. Sadly enough though, Lloyd has yet to provide test results demonstrating alien paternal DNA, or genetic material. Until this is provided (as it readily can be, with a mere submission of a sample of the skull withdrawn by the test lab, as there have been several labs so far offering free paternal DNA testing) we are left with healthy skepticism.

Judging by the lack of alien ancestry on the maternal side, and the stark similarity of the skull to human maladies, I would say Lloyd will have a hard time convincing any scientific mind this is a legitimate specimen without those paternal DNA results.
Ash Doonan
in Australia
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 | 02:57 AM
Micheal in Texas,
I personally think that Mr. Pye is doing a very good job,
He has proven that this is no hoax in which he has accomplished,
My view point, though I'm not sure if Lloyd would agree, is that the skull is a major breakthrough in the means of science whether its a alien hybrid or the founding of a brand new deformity in which science has not explored,
In the means of scientific testing, accordingly to my best of knowledge, Lloyd has found a human mother and a strange (almost alien) father,
Further tests are going to commence to prove and conclude that the father is of alien origin,
As for your quote, "and the stark similarity of the skull to human maladies"
I must disagree with because the evidence states that there is almost no similarity to that of a human,
Please read the website research again for me and actually study it because you seem to be entangled my friend! smile
Michael
in Iraq
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 | 03:12 PM
He hasn't proven that it isn't a hoax at all. He is wasting time "collecting funds" for this DNA 454 test to see if the paternal DNA is alien, while he's sitting in the lap of luxury, driving around in a Mercedes Benz.

Please... He is a con artist, and it is obvious. The only thing he has right now is an oddly shaped skull, whose mother is human, and whose father is unknown. Until he can prove the father is alien (which seems impossible), he has nothing, and has been stealing money from suckers like you who believe him. As it has been said, many DNA labs would be willing to do this research for free, but he is asking for money. Why? So he can afford a new car next year of course!
Ash Doonan
in Australia
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 | 07:50 PM
Micheal in Iraq,
Mr. Pye HAS, and I will not say again, HAS proven that this is no hoax!
You look at his website and try to look for critics on the internet against his work,
I promise you that all you will find Micheal is people like you who dismiss evidence/facts without no thought at all!
As for Mr. Pye driving around in a Mercedes,
Trust me, he isn't,
He is a good friend of mine and he tells of having no money at all because he is using it for funding,
Saying that he is having the life of luxuary and calling him a con-artist is a statement that makes your mind a wonder of the world!
As for myself well I have ACTUALLY looked at the evidence and found loads of proof that this skull is NOT a hoax and could possibly be a alien-hybrid,
Evidence like the structure of the skull, the ruling out of deformities, strange fibres in the skull, its apparent endurance and light weight and so on and so on, is backed by scientists and experts,
And now I beg of you, like Micheal in Texas, to actually EXAMINE and PROPERLY look at the evidence,
Till then we can have a real discussion.

I will print the link considering it is too much for you to do to find it on the internet-

http://www.starchildproject.com/
This is Stupid
in Hilo, HI
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 | 03:42 AM
To the people who believe this:

The skull is obviously not a human alien hybrid! Damn, you're all dumb! It's a human-cat hybrid! Just look at the skull! Looks like a half-cat half-human to me! And because only half the DNA is human, the other half HAS to be cat! That's Proof!

See, you stupid ass', it's a human-cat hybrid.

You all like re-posting the link to that stupid site, so I'll do one to

www.I'm a dumb fuck .com
Pheven
in St. Paul
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 | 03:45 AM
I suggest that you all look up the definition of Pseudoscience, then revisit the starchild site. Try thinking critically.
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