WAY HOTTER THAN YOU!!
in that pic u guys are jacking off too!
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 03:05 PM
Well said SC... I ana, by choice, i am 5'4 and i USED to way about 150, and now i am 110, i have 34C breats and a 24 inch waist, and no i do not look waif-like. And u know what? ALL I HAVE EVER GOTTEN IS "Wow u look GREAT now!!!" i have NEVER once had some say "wow u need to get fat again!". And u guys out there say that ana girls are crazy and Nazi like, or whatever BS... but yet what female would you rather date? The hot and sexy ana girl or the 200 pound fattei shoving a double cheeseburger with a milkshake down her throat? I think we know the answer!! If ana isn't in than why are people like Jennifer Aniston, and Angelina Jolie, and Mary Kate Olsen so famous, huh? SOunds like a double standard to me, make fun of anas, but yet secretly WORSHIP them. And to all the girls posting on this board, like Jenny, Whats YOUR weight??? Oh, yeah.... thats what i thought! So, i'll go munch on my bowl of lettuce, while you keeping shoving that god awful fatass fastfood down yoru throat.
Actually, maybe a girl who shoves a double cheeseburger, milkshake and a couple of beers down her throat, like Angela is probably more fun to be with. Anyone agree?
Reynard Muldrake
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 04:34 PM
I'd rather date just about anyone other than someone who chooses to make themself anorexic. The lack of self worth must be astounding. And I don't worship silly pop celebrities.
This is a sick state of mind and heart, and I'm afraid there is no getting around that.
Seek help.
SC
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 05:27 PM
Way Hotter- If you are a PS member (which I think you are – the Nazi comment) PM me (sc357) or give me your PS username and I can PM you. : ) Good to see a friendly face.
Dangel – it’s naïve to think that Angelina “shoves a double cheeseburger”. Vogue once put her on their “Voluptuous” issue. And afterwards she “magically” became thinner.
Reynard – you have a chip on your shoulder the size of a small African nation. You should “seek help” and get it surgically removed.
The hypocrisy in society definitely is a factor in why people are anorexic – (why people claim to appreciate “voluptuous” bodies but then ridicule Kate Winslet/ Ophrah/ Kristie Ally/ etc when they put on weight.
But it is also scientifically proven that the level of serotonin produced increases a persons likelihood of becoming anorexic. Ultimately you don’t choose to be anorexic. It chooses you. Historically, there are records of anorexia even during periods where being womanly was becoming. I guess what I’m saying is that you can’t help what you ARE. In my last post I just wanted to let everyone know that we don’t analyze you’re every pitfall, every neurosis, so stop doing it to us.
I think that’s all I really have to say.
Jenny
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 06:05 PM
I can see more and more clearly that the cause of both fatness and anorexia is not so much in fashion or in the neurosis of individuals, but much more in the deplorable quality of what is offered to eat in this environement. The taste of pizzas and chesseburgers is so bland and ultumately boring that only a great amount of it will satisfy the stomach. Anorexia, or fasting seems to be an alternative. The only alternative is BLUE RIBBON cooking, caviar, great cusine instead of FOOD, which is for animals and not people.
Anamiame
in California
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 07:52 PM
I do not consider myself to have an ED, but I am a regular member on PS. I am not 15; I am a mother to four children; a single mother and a civil servant to society. I have half a brain. Okay, so I have more than half a brain.
I'm not an idiot and no one tells me what to do with my body. I'm not a nazi, or a devil worshipper. I'm simply a woman in American Society who has struggled for years with body image and wanting to be the very best I can be.
If you REALLY check the site, you will see that they DO NOT condone unsafe weight loss habits. Instead, they believe that every person has a right to maintain a thin lifestyle, through healthy means. We often get the 13 year old saying, "Oh, I have to lose 100 pounds by friday!" We tell them respectfully that this is not possible and is not healthy. They are always discouraged from that type of behavior.
What I find interesting is that you think that the entire board is about promoting anorexic and bulimic behavior. Almost always, such behavior is met with concern and care for the individual as others care about the health and well being of the individual members. If you read further, you will find people posting who feel that they have no one else in the world to turn to; it becomes their safe haven.
For me, it is my safe haven. I have found there a plethora of older women who struggle with the same issues as I do. I don't have to pretend to be perfect and all together; I can just be. And I am always received with warmth and genuine unconditional care.
So, if you want to find this sick; then great; it isn't a place for you. However, I would suggest that you read deeper than thread names; and go for the more 'boring' threads than the ones entitled, "Oh help me, I must lose 50 pounds to be prom queen" to fully and completely understand the motive of the board as a whole.
Blessings,
Anamiame
Alice
in US
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 08:12 PM
I struggle daily with an eating disorder, both anorexia and bulimia and am a member of the PSS board. I definately don't promote eating disorders and would not wish one on ANYBODY! You people just don't know until you are where we are at. I need some one to talk to and who will listen to my ranting and not judge. I have no control over my disese and this site just helps me get through each day. PSS is a great place. Many people come in and ask how to do this or that. One girl asked me how to purge. I told her to never start. She said she wouldn't after I explained what it has done to me and others. So don't judge.
cleo
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 10:50 PM
I am a member of PS as well. Although I like to think I am above name-calling and petty insults and generally do not succumb to the ignorance and taunts of others, there is something that I must say:
JENNY... shut your damn mouth. You, my dear, are an ignorant snob.
Get over yourself already. You can take your caviar and your goats and shove 'em up your ass. At least we don't try to impose our lifestyle on others. If you know about us or our forum, it is because you sought us out or were alerted to our presence by someone completely unrelated to us in any way. (I say this with confidence because I have faith in my fellow PSers that they would not consciously choose such an uncool acquaintance) We do not advertise, we do not solicit new members, and we certainly do not attempt to “turn” otherwise “normal” girls into “us.” We are a community of misunderstood human beings seeking the comfort and support provided by those who understand and empathize with our lifestyle choices and goals.
So, and this message is for all of you, not just Jenny (because I am doubtful she will take my words as anything more valuable than the ramblings of a starving heathen) please do not preach to us about what is or is not healthy and what we should or should not be doing to our bodies. Did WE ask for YOUR opinion or insight into the way we lead our lives? No, we did not, so until you can stop seeing us as “disordered” or “sick” or “Nazis” please kindly keep your opinions to your damn selves.
Oh one more thing… my soul is not a corpse, bitch.
Alice
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 10:56 PM
I like the way that last sentence was put! OUCH! Go cleo!
Reynard Muldrake
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 04:10 AM
I think reading these comments is going to make me barf, and not from an eating disorder. It's a sad world, and I feel sorry for you all.
Appoline
in London
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 05:06 AM
I am also a member of PS... Hey there my girls... I am not skinny, but have an associated eating disorder, bulimia and COE. PS is the only place I can go and discuss my issues with people who give a shit, anddon't gasp in horror at how much/ how little i've eaten that day.
We are NOT inthe business of recruiting people to join us... Dangerous tips and unhealthy advice is NOT tolerated, and if somebody was getting into a dangerous situation, our ever- sharp moderators would be there to sort it out.
Jenny
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 05:29 AM
Dear Muldrake,
After all of what I read, I realize that I am out of touch, I feel like a cangoroo in Austria.
I wish I clould eat your sperm while these other women scream like lost souls in the depth of hell.
Jenny
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 05:30 AM
Actually my waist is 12" and I have four breasts.
SC
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 09:00 AM
To my ladies-WayHotter, Alice, Anamiame, Cleo, Appoline- love you all for standing up for PS!
Reynard-“ reading these comments is going to make me barf… and I feel sorry for you all.” Then simply stop reading our posts. We would hate to be blamed for recruiting yet another innocent into our lair. Also, we do not need nor appreciate your misdirected and ignorant pity.
Jenny, read Dante’s Inferno. There is a special circle in hell for gluttons, but certainly not for us. But if we do end up there we will certainly put in a good word for you.
Ignorance disgusts me.
DR
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 09:20 AM
Hey Jenny: If you live in Austria then i have to tell you that Gulash and Wiener Schnitzel doesnt make people skinny. Im not as thin as a feather. But i ate all those things based in Margarine and butter and oil thing and i got into my highest weight.
My Mother in law thinks that im going to the edge by trying to eat healthy. And she hates to see me having a healthy life. While she is saying all he time. I cant get to lose weight and she puts a big piece of schnitzel in her mouth. Bigger than the hole of her mouth and falling down.
I dont want to be seen the same way i see her. After every meal the served the beautifully made chocolates, and finest desserts that she makes.. and she still keeps saying abut her weight. And that im too skinny.
Is that im am wrong when i eat an apple, and she eats the piece of pig cooked in oil and then in butter for the better taste, and the oil is dropping down the plate?? Excuse me! I rather to keep my life healthy as possible by going to the Gym at lest three times a day. And she doesnt even want to move a finger to make something for her weight and she is still complaining??
Sister get real! She thinks she isnt fat. And that i am tooo skinny. When i am in my right BMI. and she is OBESE??? Or that my husband has better healthy eating habits than her. Just becuase she sees that my husband drinks water, and doesnt drink the coke is served atthe table. Or that he is too skinny and doesnt need to go to the gym?
I live in Austria. And most of the people that hates me are fat people. That are so overweight and that tell me that im too skinny. And they dont even talk to me, or visit me becuase they hate too see me eating healthy or i look skinner than when i was overweight. Its sad that i dont have female friends. Becuase all of them are so jelous of me having a tiny waist. But ive being skinny all my life. Im not as tall as they are. And thats why they hate me??? Its not fun to NOT have friends. But they hate me for being skinny...
So jenny, perhaps you are my Sister in Law that hates me soo much beucase im soo skinny?? And she is trying to death to be as skinny as i am. But cant?
My sister in Law and my mother in law have humilliated me in front of people just by my eating habits.
So its the same way you are telling us about our site in PS. You are humilliating us just becuase we have en ED and are trying to stick to what healthy is. Its true. We are sick. But we are trying to do it as healthy as possible. Everyone woman wants to be skinny right? I dont think that there is a woman with a rational mind that is happy with her body. But we try not to destroy our bodies the way we did before. But try to do the best we can for our bodies. Those are the only bodies we have.
This world is really sick. Noone is happy in any way. Dont try to judge us just becuase we want to do it in the right way.
BTW Jenny: I do live in Austria too.
Anamiame
in California
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 09:32 AM
Jenny, you stated, "I feel like a cangoroo in Austria." With all do respect, it is spelled, 'Kangaroo.'
Muldrake, you stated, "I think reading these comments is going to make me barf, and not from an eating disorder. It's a sad world, and I feel sorry for you all." Sorry that you are feeling ill. However, if these are the best arguments that the two of you can come up with, then according to debating rules, PS wins. It seems that both you and Jenny have digressed into various forms of name calling and judgements that have no basis in fact. If Jenny truly is a proponent of Biblical Ethics, then she should be familiar with the scripture that says "Do Not Judge, Lest Ye Be Judged. For By The Same Measure That Ye Judge, Ye shall Be Judged."
So, I throw down the gauntlet of challenge. Shall we give this debate to PS or continue with intellectual, factual and non-judgemental arguments that may provide all of us with new insight into this issue? I challenge you to provide accurate and factual information to back up your position (Google and Ask Mr. Jeeves are excellent search engines) as we too will respond with factual, reliable information. If the challenge is not accepted, then PS takes the win.
So PS members, can someone post a response as to why support is needed when someone is seeking recovery from an ED and why support is needed when they are still active in an ED? Can someone else do a search on Weight Loss and why support is helpful in losing weight? And, can someone do a search on the problems of body image in our society?
I look forward to an informative and educational debate on this issue....unless that is, you are not up to the challenge. Sigh...in that case, we win.
Anamiame
Jenny
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 10:42 AM
Dear Anamiame
Kangoroo is with k, all right, but I think it is "with all DUE respect", not "all do respect".
What is PS, Political Science?
What makes me utterly confused is the status of anorexia: is it a life style? Is it a desease? Is it the triumph of the will? Is it a form of diet? Is it something one should be proud of?
I believe in civilization, not in tribal divisionism, nor I believe that you are going to hell, but I do believe that narcissism and obssession with SOMA is already hell.
What do you think?
Again, I do not know what PS is, and I think this is a very interesting site where I am learning quite a lot.
SC
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 11:04 AM
Jenny – thank you for being respectful and curious in your last post. I’m sure Anamiame will have more to say on the subject and say it better than I but for now I’ll just give you what I feel being “Ana” is. When I was younger, I suffered from anorexia and reached a low of 77lbs. This is puzzling for people. They tend to think that we can somehow control our behavior but that is just not the case. When you reach a certain point you are just not interested in food anymore. The thought of it repulses you. Of course by then friends and family start to intercede – they think it helps but ultimately it just pushes you into driving yourself harder – almost like a F-you! to the world.
After a while, I started gaining weight and could not control my eating. I became (as some members refer to as COE) a compulsive over eater. Not only did I gain the weight back but also gained excess weight. Now I’m starting to find a balance at PS (Project Shapeshift). Of course, there are times when I overeat and times where eat little if anything at all.
The reason people are part of PS is because we all supportive of each other. Here people do not encourage you to starve till you die. In fact, our moderator shows genuine concern when someone loses too much weight. However it would be untruthful to say we maintain “healthy” weights or consume “healthy” amounts of food. We just do what we can to, as I said before, find balance and find empathy from people who have been where we have been and experienced what we are now experiencing.
You asked “Is it something one should be proud of?” No. It’s just something that you are and have to deal with. That is exactly what we are doing at PS…just dealing with what we are.
Anamiame
in California
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 11:11 AM
Times two. I posted the first time over 4000 characters. It erased my entire post and I can't get it back. I posted an apology Jenny; and it erased THAT because the box wasn't exactly right. I'm really sorry. I just spent 45 minutes replying to your post and now my daughter is awake and she was up all night sick. I have to go and take care of her.
I posted answers to each of your questions answering both for anorexia and pro-ana. Then, I explained the difference between Eating Disorder and Disordered Eating. I'm so frustrated because it was an excellent post; of which I would have kept for future reference.
I will reply later when my wrists no longer ache and when my daughter is resting again.
Again, I'm so sorry for losing the post!
Anamiame (Name means, ana? mia? no, just me)
Lina
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 | 05:31 PM
Half (50 %) of all people in the western world die from fat-derived illnesses. Only under 1/20 000 (that is under 0,02 %) die from anorexia. A little different numbers to me.
Over 30 % of western people smoke tobacco. Over half (50%) of them die from a tobacco-deriven illness. That calculates to a rough 15 % all the western people dying slowly from tobacco.
Then again, only under 0,02 % of western people die from anorexia. Tiny winy 1/20 000 (Which of course is not as good as none, but still... I'd like to see some perspective to the whole picture). Almost none die from bulimia. Bulimia even prevents osteoporosis.
All the best researches about what is good to eat claim, that less calories mean more and healthier years to your life. And it means a lot less calories than average intake of a western person.
Advertising anorexia would be confronted, I guess. But why is promoting tobacco or fattening foods so allowed and even wanted?!?
I'm a member of PS, and I don't think that this is a disease which should be cured "no matter what it takes". No, instead I think this is what we are, and nobody has a right to force us change from what we are. From who we are. We are real persons, you know! Many of us really want to be anorexics or bulimics even in the future. Many of us don't ever want to "get cured". It would be similar than "getting cured" in the film Clockwork Orange by Stanley Kubrick.
Everyone breathes uniquely. Everyone eats uniquely. If my body tells me I feel good when breathing in my own rhythm, I'm gonna listen to my body more eagerly than to some "experts". And I'll listen to my body about eating, too.
I also eagerly choose a good feeling about myself being thin rather than hating myself for being fatty.
You know, we really feel good with ourselves, too. Ed-haters maybe would like to think that we are some people that need pity or sadness. But no, we really don't need your condolescences. Most of us are happy! At least I'm proud of who I am, and I feel good for the weight losses I've successed.
Actually I feel pity and sadness for those people who spend a lot of useless time of their prescious life in trying to "cure" us who don't have any need or want to be any other than ourselves.
