In answer to the very first post, the URL you posted is for a real site, not a hoax. Real people with real issues.
For the people bashing the "pro-ana" choice, why are you so angry with people who choose to eat certain foodstuffs? What makes you get so worked up because I eat the salads in the restaurants, and avoid the fried choices?
And to Jenny, a most erudite lady, I am keenly interested in your passion for food. I agree totally that processed, refined rubbish pushed on me by many food establishments is not worth eating, and therefore cook nutricious, interesting, healthy, low fat meals for myself and my husband. As a result I am slim and so is he. I use the website that prompted this thread as a sort of living diary where I can go to vent my feelings and frustrations to people who understand and do not judge. The website has got me off laxitives and onto fiber rich foods; it has got me out of the binge/purge cycle and into eating unrefined carbohydrates and pulses to maintain a stable mood. I no longer suffer from depressive episodes and I no longer feel the urge to cut myself when situations get tough.
I don't quite understand why you feel this site is negative.
I have seen other Pro Ana site which I believe are harmful, but Project Shapeshift is not one of them, please do not tar it with the same brush.
Thank you
Delirium
Jae
in Upstate
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 04:33 AM
Those of you on sites such as Project Shapeshift (SC)- You should be aware the whole thing was created by a self-confessed Satanist. 'Narscissa' (a word she cant even spell - though I assume that doesn't prevent her slaughtering goats).
To my knowledge one of the moderators (Bluejay)
is also involved in these practices.
These people also have very close, unhealthy even, relationships, on the board, and quite often in real life.
I do not pretend to know what their aim is at any one time. I was only a member for a few weeks, and left without fuss because I found the whole thing sinister in the extreme.
I would advise other women and girls to avoid that particular place on those grounds alone, regardless of physical health issues.
Mungo
in Brisbane
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 05:12 AM
If anyone wants a laugh , read the posts on 'project shapeshift' from a member called 'Darkrider'.
She is easily the stupidest person ever to write anything.
If you can wade through the gibberish she writes, it will make you feel superior, trust me.
It would make a slug feel superior.
She end most sentences with haha, for no apparent reason.
Her one brain cell must get very lonely.
Ishy
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 12:35 PM
Narscissa WAS a satanist. She has since refound God. Get your facts straight, chick. Also Jae, don't forget that Christianity has Pagan roots. I don't know where you're from, but in America we have freedom of religion...any religion. If you want to suppress other peoples' rights, well then I guess that vouches for your character pretty strongly.
And Mungo, DarkRider is a wonderful intelligent woman. If she'd wanted her entries critiqued by a fucktard, she'd have submitted them to you for review. haha
PS is a great place for people with an ED to feel camaraderie with people who -understand- them. We're the first people to discourage unhealthy binging/purging, abuse of laxatives, and other dangerous practices. Anyone without an ED, or at least without all the components for one, would not find it. Everyone there belongs there, it isn't harmful, and we'd be the first people to dissuade a curious person from "developing" an ED.
brigid
in missouri
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 01:19 PM
i'm 15, 120 pounds, and wanting to be ana, i also cut occasionally and i feel alone and want to know how to become ana... post back here thx
SC
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 01:48 PM
Mungo- Kindly accompany Reynard (p.4) to a cosmetic surgeon where you can get that grossly protruding chip on your shoulder removed.
Also if you knew anything about DarkRider, you would know that English is not her native tongue.
How very pathetic that this is how you get your kicks.
I pity you.
~SC
sammi kirkendall
in nebraska
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 02:06 PM
why is it that you people come on her and tell us how we should live our lives? if we want to not eat to lose weight then we should have that right to......
TG
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 05:34 PM
What i fail to comprehend in this entire debate is the self-righteous and morally superior position taken by so many who oppose the pro-ana mindset and community. Regardless of who and what you are, regardless of what you eat or do not eat, regardless of what you think and believe, you are, as are we all, human beings. Merely human, ultimately human. We are all human, curse and blessing, binding thread. Being human means having choice. Each one of us has the ability and the right to choose. In some cases this means choosing lifestyle, and in some cases this ability to choose is lost, to ourselves, to another, to a disease. Pro-Ana means Pro-Choice. Many people seek out boards like PS because they are seeking a path back to choice, seeking to gain or regain control over something, be it food, an eating disorder, a person, or themselves, that they have lost control of, relinquished control to. Some are also seeking connection, a very real connection, to other people, to other human beings, to humanity itself. Reality in itself is a shape-shifter of untold proportions, and finding others who understand the reality of your life and mind, and who wouldn't dream of questioning either, is a blessing that change a life, and can literally save one. How can this be wrong?
L-Jas
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 | 08:48 PM
Mungo wow, you made me laugh at your stupidity and I am not easily amused. Saying dark rider is stupid. Hah
I have never spoken with her personaly but have read many of her posts. I think she speaks over four languages at least. English not being her native toung as SC explained.
Get you facts straight befor making unfounded insults out of your ass, this goes for everyone.
I feel it would be a waste of my time to make a arguement as it is obvious nothing I will say can peirce the minds of the ignorant.
But just let it be said I suport PS all the members, love them all and if not for them I belive I may have taken my own life last week.
Never preach to a man befor walking a mile in his shoes.
Before we loose site of the real reason for the original post, I think we all need to step back for just a second. The original post was to find out if the site was serious or a gag, I think I can safely say the site seems real enough.
not only do i have an ed but I am also male. I bet that throws a kink inteh works huh...AND I am a memper of plagueangel's ed forum. and I would like to point out a few things.
1. If you would take the time to read what we actually talk about you would see that we are smart young peopel that are tring hard to do something great in our mind.
now after saying that you need to realize that we DON'T promote crazy diets like eating cotton or fasting for days on end, though some of us do fast we do it in a healthy way. We try to do everythign in a healthy way.
2. We don't lure people onto the site, and even if we did you cant fake an ed. many of us have had them for years and its really easy to spot a troll on the site tring to start trouble.
3. People are free to come and go as they please. I have met ALOT of amazing peopel on here but when they are done with PS I except that they are gone.
4. for those that want to recover I know many peopel that SUPPORT their choice. I know if I coudl I would at least try.
So you have to understand that the things that we take about. all the pounds we loose, days we fast, hours we ride our little bikes. those are all accomplishments for us and PS as well as other ana sites give us a place to talk about them to peopel that understand what we are going thru. I'mm sorry if you dont see it as that but its true. these are the things we are most proud.
dert
in Project Shapeshift
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 06:07 AM
Jae,
Narscissa was NEVER a Satanist, but did, at one point, embrace a pagan religion and worshipped the female divinity of Mother Nature. As Ishy pointed out, she has since returned to her upbringings in the Christian church. Regardless, none of this has anything to do with Project Shapeshift or this conversation at all. She never once pushed her idealogies on any member and I would venture a guess that most Shapeshift members don't know very much about Narscissa at all.
And as for the other moderator, BlueJay1031 (I am also a moderator of the website) she is the furthest thing from a satanist or a pagan. In fact, she prays to the same god that Jesus himself did.
Where do you come up with this shit anyway?
Mungo,
Admittedly, Dark Rider is sometimes difficult to understand because, like other people have said, English is not her native language. However, if you actually took a moment to listen to what she says instead of getting caught up grammatical errors, you would discover that much of what she has to say is insightful and incredibly compassionate.
You wouldn't know very much about either of those, would you? Compassion or eloquence of words, you simple-sentence baffoon.
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA Member
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 07:19 AM
Umm, "Compassion or eloquence of words, you simple-sentence baffoon," is an incomplete sentence. I'm not going to point out all the other mistakes. This post has turned into something totally ridiculous. This seems to happen a lot when people show up here totally ignoring the site content and just jumping into a thread. It seems there are a lot of sites you can all go to, in order to make your voice known. I suggest you use one of those sites to do this. Thanks.
cait
in london
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 08:46 AM
I disagree with that these sights do no harm. Speaking frm the perspective of a fourteen ear old girl with serveral anorexic friends and one who was recently hospitalised. girls are constanly thinking they arnt good enough and although i agre these sights dont completly cause eating dissorders they are very good at pushing peple over the edge. The spport anorexics get is good the tips and tips that help them and those who other wise wouldnt of tried are bad.
Anamiame
in California
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 09:38 AM
It's amazing to me how this site digressed. I guess it is just human nature.
Now it's down to name calling and judging the motives and beliefs of another's heart?
I am requesting PS members to no longer participate in this debate. It is nothing but ugly and damaging. There is no kindness or compassion here.
And, for those who choose to continue, then you have allowed yourself to come down to their level. Don't allow that to happen. It's just not worth it.
For all those who have watched this discussion and are in pain due to some ED or disordered eating; I wish you well. Try and reach out to someone and tell them what is going on inside. Talk. It really helps. Try and talk first to people in the real world, if they don't listen, then there are always people in the ethereal world who will.
To the pro-ana and anti-ana folks let me drop a few hints:
Hint 1: Site name Museum of Hoaxes
Hint 2: The original post asked " Just found this on the web today. I can't tell if this is serious or a gag... "
We can now say the site is real so case closed.
If you want to argue pro-ana and anti-ana please take it to the appropriate site.
Thank You
Jaaaee
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 01:54 PM
You know what...it's real ok! There are such thing called pro-ana sites. It's called acceptance. This website shows the light of anorexia as a lifestyle, however most show it as a disease but an acceptance site to live with it. Just as there are gay chatrooms out there for fags to meet other fags and be accepted, there are pro-ana sites. It's not like anorexics come to health forums and but you all up but all you health fanatics seem to have a great time telling us how to live our lives. Leave us alone.
Dark Rider
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 02:30 PM
Guess whos in the house!!!
Well Mungo, this is specially typed for you. If you havent noticed.. or if your brain hasnt brained yet... I already posted at least twice in this forum as DR.
Also.. if i have so many mistakes.. and i cant paraphrase any correct sentence.. then its not my fault. Or you need to sharpen your brains to understand them
I speak four languages Spanish, English, and German. I "speak" the ASL (American Sign Language) if you count it as a language, and learning my fifth.
hahaha its soo funny what you just said.
"one-brain-cell" joke.. hahaha but its not that funny becuase i had to forced myself to laugh. The joke can be improved. so i will end this sentence with a sarcastic HA-HA.
Well i rather to view my life with a laugh instead of view life as the worst thing. Believe me friend. I will never see life the way you see it.
If you dont get what i mean, then i invite you to watch the Patch Adam film. Perhaps that movie can help you to soften your dick-head-like brain.
Its amazing what a "one-cell-brain" can make huh?
If i give you half of my one-cell-brain, can you reach all what i have reached in my life? I dont think so.
So please dont repeat that stinky joke. If you ever do it again. Please at least improve it. ok? But nice try.
Also i didnt feel offended at all. Becuase i hardly believe i am that kind of person you are describing. I dont usually expose myself this way im going to do it. But this will give you a slighty idea of what i really am, in life. I have a real real life. And im a succesful person.
I have done a living with the languages i speak. I dont go to work and im my own boss. So i dont have to go out of the house to work. I get good money from that, and i get my job from the internet. Yes as a translator. And i found this job by myself, and i started when i was 19 years old. I work with companies like LG in Korea, Sumitomo Corp, in Japan, Siemens, in Germany, and many others. And i have a university degree, in Graphic Design. And i am a Insurance Agent. Plus im a wife. And im helping my husband to make his own company, because we HATE to be average people, aka looser people like you, Mungo, and we want to make our own living. So i have to run the business too.. also through internet, and we have a lot of clients. So im learning how to programm with C++, html (piece of cake) im also learning how to program for the Blackberry, and for my Palm (we are trying to develope a printer device using IR (Infra Red). Because we really need it in our new founded office. And we are receiving so many emails from Japanese developers to make this InfraRed printing thing.
Oh well.... this is nothing what i have said. I dont usually like to say all those things. I rather to say im a down-to-earth girl... Because i dont want to make someone like you feel nothing.... Im a multi-facetic person.
And i have everything under control. So its amazing what a one-brain-cell can achieve huh?
And im still taking the time to answer directly to your most insensible post. But dont worry... i am not offended by your post at all. I find it funny for me. I wont get mad about it.
Its funny that your name is Mungo? Why dont you change it to Mongo? Because this Mongo name that im giving you, match perfect for the kind of comments you made.
I can borrow you half of my brain and lets see if you can make at lest half of what i do. In 24 hours.
So i feel superior, because i am superior. What all the things i have reached in life can be compared to what you have reached?
Dark Rider
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 02:30 PM
But well... I will follow AnaMiaMe advice. And i will drop the subject right here.
I just wanted to make sure what i really am, and exposing a bit more about myself. Yes, if you can follow my example by seeing life in a diferent way, then you would be able to see things that noone elses has. I rather to put other people feelings first than mine.
If i make people smile, then for me its better becuase it fulls me completely. That putting burdens on other peoples shoulders.
Yes my comments may be out of sense. But i enjoy life better this way, instead of having a pessimist idea of what a site is. If i want to be silly, i am silly. If i want to be real, then i do it.
And i wont let any dick-head to come and tell me things. Because, a dick-head that comes to tell me that i have a one-brain-cell, cannot compete with me at all. You sound so under-average to me
So dick-head-mongo, i feel pity for you. Go now and hide behind your mommys skirt.
You are nothing to me.
I will ask you politely, that you cant judge people from what they look. And dont judge them if you dont know them.
I will ask you to take your words back for yourself again. And be mature and intelligent enough to follow a debate without being so harsh. People with polite manners are listened more than being kicked by not thinking while talking.
