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Lobsang Rampa
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Jun 12, 2004
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Your review on TL Rampa is rather outdated and is borne out of an incredible constipated realisation of truth. I have studied his works for the last 25 years and boy are you WRONG! But then you have no knowledge of transmigration and the higher dimensions that pervades all universes. Learn to see within yourself first before you write such drivel. The ultimate HOAX is you, as you believe in your limited 2D reality. If you practised 1 iota of TLR's techniques - you would see the truth for yourself instead of begging (for Hoaxes). But then idiots like yourself are what makes the web fun, I suppose. So dream on.
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Kris
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 | 05:04 PM
See again your misunderstanding me so maybe I can't try once more....
The proof you are looking for is in the teachings of people like rampa.. So you go to your local chapters or indigo and buy one of these books. Then you practice what it says and then you have your proof.
Now all I want from you is a link or a book or an article that teaches me how to fly. I'm willing to put forth the effort in learning how to fly. So where can I get some guidance?
And from page one of this thread you have been saying " it's proven lobsang was a fraud"..." it's been PROVEN hes a fake" So you're making a pretty big statement, all I ask of you is to show me your source of proof so that I can do my own research. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 | 08:23 PM
"Astral travel (or its equivalent) can easily be "proved" and has been proved frequently already. Unfortunately the people it has been proved to - i.e. the people who substantiate it - are written off as having an over-active imagination, being wishful thinkers, or just plain liars. Controlled tests have been carried out with some success and are well documented, but as I said in my previous post, it's not enough to present controlled scientific results."
I have a simple way for you to prove that you can travel astrally. Trust me, if you can pass this test, I will not only concede the existence of astral projection, I will do everything in my power to publicize your ability to do it. So are you game or is this going to one of those "I really CAN do it, I just can't prove it" things? |
flyingvivaldi
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 | 02:49 AM
Yes, you are close with that statement, only I would change it slightly to " I believe I really can do it, I just haven't been able to prove it yet". It's not my life's mission to prove anything to other people anyway, my personal quest is to explore the fascinating convergence we are seeing between science, philosophy and religion (at least eastern religion). Every scientist will concede that the world presented by our 5 senses is a total misrepresentation and bears no obvious resemblance to the reality which is activating those senses. I would never want to trust my senses to tell me what "reality" is as they have given me the wrong information since the moment I was born. Each of us creates our entire world-view inside our heads actually raising the (frightening) thought that each of us could be a solipsist (but only one of us - whether that is you, Kris or me is open to debate!) Phenomena such as non-locality has already been proven by quantum physics, and yet it's implications hardly set the world alight. I don't remember reading any headline news along the lines of "Instantaneous Communication Possible Over Any Distance!" Elton John having kids is far more interesting. Frankly, reality is not what it seems. Science cannot yet explain reality and readily admits that not only are our methods of analysis unsatisfactory, but the analysis itself changes reality at the point of analysis. We comfort ourselves with the thought that our scientists are clever wonderful people who can give us some exciting news to think about every now and then (light can't escape a black hole - how fascinating) but the truth is that scientists are at a total loss to explain what reality IS. Is it any wonder that many great scientists, thinker and philosophers are embracing the logic of eastern religions? Cranky, astral travel may seem like nonsense to you, but in the greater scheme of things it's a mere drop in the ocean of the unknown at the moment. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 | 03:40 AM
This is how it always goes with people who claim extraordinary abilities. When you say, "OK, show me!" suddenly the excuses start to pile up.
"I can do it, just not when anyone is looking."
"I can do it, just not in the presence of skeptics."
"I can do it, but I'm not going to show off for the likes of you."
And on and on and on. Why is it too much to simply ask to be shown this amazing ability which defies the known laws of physics? I truly do have a very simple test for it. Funny, if I thought I could do something as amazing as astrally project myself, I wouldn't hesitate to show anyone who wanted to see me do it. After all, it would be the single greatest breakthrough in human advancement in history. Why wouldn't I want to be the person who brought that to my fellow man?
Prove to me you can astrally project and I'll give you Human Flying lessons. Promise. |
flyingvivaldi
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 | 04:37 AM
You talking to me or Kris? If you are talking to me, I expressed none of the statements:
"I can do it, just not when anyone is looking."
"I can do it, just not in the presence of skeptics."
"I can do it, but I'm not going to show off for the likes of you."
And if you think I did, then please read my posts a little more carefully.
I repeat my statement that when shown overwhelming evidence, people (like yourself) will simply reject it if it doesn't fit their belief system.
The case of Pam Reynolds is a good example where the arguments of the sceptics frankly pale compared to the evidence for a genuine out of body experience. And it still didn't change the world. The root of the problem is that we are too ensconced in our own comfortable little realities. Looming environmental disasters, famines in African countries or child labour in the far east don't really bother us. When we eat our roast chicken we don't really care how the chicken suffered for our convenience. Famous singer proves out-of-body experiences are real? I'll read it later... turn page. Global financial crisis threatens our savings. NOW WE'RE TALKING HEADLINES! |
May
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 | 05:01 AM
Strange that people demand proof before believing anything, but what is proof? We each have our own ideas but crass statements like |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 | 03:19 AM
Kris said:
"The proof you are looking for is in the teachings of people like rampa.. So you go to your local chapters or indigo and buy one of these books. Then you practice what it says and then you have your proof."
Why do I have to study anything for you to prove that YOU can perform astral travel? Either you can or you can't. All I'm asking for is a demonstration of the ability you claim you have. What is unreasonable about that?
May said:
"The proof you are looking for is in the teachings of people like rampa.. So you go to your local chapters or indigo and buy one of these books. Then you practice what it says and then you have your proof."
But what I want is proof that Kris, flyingvivaldi, you or anyone else can do these things. All you have to do to make a believer out of me is simply show me you really can do these things. If you truly can perform astral travel, the simple test I have in mind will prove it conclusively.
May said:
"Statement by the Great 13th: People need what they imagine is proof, but |
May
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 | 04:41 AM
CMG,
You are going about all this in completely the wrong way!!! It CANNOT be demonstrated just for your gratification. Anything to do with Metaphysics MUST be personally experience to know!
Let |
flyingvivaldi
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 | 04:51 AM
> If I could do the things you people claim to be able to do, I would demonstrate them to the world because it would represent a HUGE step forward in our knowledge of the world around us
Any chance of you keeping up with the conversation here Cranky? I repeat my repeated statement that when shown overwhelming evidence, people (like yourself) will simply reject it if it doesn't fit their belief system.
Pam Reynolds is one example I mentioned already (BBC doc on YouTube looks worth watching although I haven't done so yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k). Psychologist Charles Tart Ph.D. has a good paper at http://www.paradigm-sys.com/ctt_articles2.cfm?id=31 which documents his controlled experiment with an OBE-er who correctly identified a 5-digit number place out of normal view. The work of Karlis Osis, similar to Tart's, is mentioned here http://cref.tripod.com/article_oberesearch.htm along with several other controlled experiments involving OBEs. There has been plenty of research with positive results. Has is changed the world? Nah. But for receptive people, it has already "represented a HUGE step forward in our knowledge of the world around us". And like Quantum Physics, we can see the end results, but we (in the west at least) are just not sure how to explain them yet.
May and Kris - interesting as the Rampa books are, I suggest you would benefit and broaden your horizons if you were to read some other material on the paranormal apart from the work of one man. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 | 03:50 PM
May said:
"You are going about all this in completely the wrong way!!! It CANNOT be demonstrated just for your gratification. Anything to do with Metaphysics MUST be personally experience to know!"
*sigh* But YOU people are the ones who claim to be able to do the impossible. All I'm asking for is to actually SEE what you say you can do. Trust me, if you can show me that you really CAN do any of the things you lay claim to, I WILL become a student of it. So would millions of others, by the way.
flyingvivaldi said:
"Any chance of you keeping up with the conversation here Cranky? I repeat my repeated statement that when shown overwhelming evidence, people (like yourself) will simply reject it if it doesn't fit their belief system."
Nonsense. The simple demonstration I have in mind is similar to the playing card experiment you described. If you could pass it, I'd have NO choice but to believe in your abilities.
The pattern never varies. Someone makes extraordinary claims; when they are challenged, they try to put the burden on the other party to prove a negative. When a test that would prove or disprove their claims is proposed, the excuses start.
Please do not give me this, "You wouldn't believe it even if we demonstrated it" stuff. If you could demonstrate an ability to do the simple thing I'll propose, I absolutely WOULD believe in your powers. So, you guys game or are you going to come up with more excuses? |
flyingvivaldi
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 | 09:16 PM
"Why do you think I have any particular abilities Cranky? I said only that I believe I have had out of body experiences. They occurred competely unpredictably probably 2 or 3 times in my entire life, so why should I suddenly be able to conjure up one for your "experiment"?"
My comments were generic, not specifically about you.
"Any chance of you keeping up with the conversation here Cranky? I repeat my repeated statement that when shown overwhelming evidence, people (like yourself) will simply reject it if it doesn't fit their belief system."
Remember when I said:
"I can do it, just not when anyone is looking."
"I can do it, just not in the presence of skeptics."
"I can do it, but I'm not going to show off for the likes of you."
Seems to me you're employing a combination of the second and third ones.
You have to understand that I've issued similar challenges many times to people who claim to have extraordinary abilities. Several years ago on Yahoo, some people said they could conjure up "spells" that could kill a person. I challenged them to go ahead and kill me. All I needed to know was when they were going to do it so it could be verified. That's when the excuses started flying (and no, none of them were based on the immorality of killing a stranger).
To suggest that I need to study "Rampa" or anybody else's claims before you can show me that you can perform astral travel is utter nonsense. If you could pass my simple test, you would have proven the existence of the magical power you claim to have absolutely. It's the same old story, though:
"I can do it, just not when anyone is looking."
"I can do it, just not in the presence of skeptics."
"I can do it, but I'm not going to show off for the likes of you."
If you say you can perform astral travel but you can't or won't demonstrate your amazing ability and still expect me to believe you, then you really have NO logical basis to refuse to believe that I can fly under my own power even though I will not demonstrate it for you. After all, why should I suddenly fly in front of you for your "experiment"? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 | 04:16 AM
By the way, flyingvivaldi, I'm a little confused. You claim to be have personally experienced astral travel, but then you say:
"Why do you think I have any particular abilities Cranky?"
If a person could truly perform astral travel, that most certainly would qualify as a "particular ability." |
flyingvivaldi
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 | 06:53 AM
Fair enough.. if you're going to split hairs and it stops you getting confused then we'll call it an ability.
"I can do it, just not in the presence of skeptics."
"I can do it, but I'm not going to show off for the likes of you."
Seems to me you're employing a combination of the second and third ones.
Please explain why you think that. I've never even thought about sceptics and I certainly don't consider I have anything to show off. I'm very interested how you come to this conclusion.
I take it then that you are just going to ignore the overwhelming evidence in favour of the existence of out-of-body experiences. That's precisely what I meant when I said that people will simply reject evidence that doesn't fit their belief system - your method of rejecting it appears to be to just completely ignore it (and continue to ask that I astral travel to your room or wherever it is you want me to go?!?!). You can't explain how a clinically dead person can recall a verifiable conversation when she is revived later, so choose instead to just ignore it. But by making that (typically materialist) decision you are as guilty as any of the people in this thread of ignoring facts.
Science is far too conservative and safe, and gives rise to this materialism where matter and material interactions are all there is. It strikes me it is from this angle that you are approaching this discussion and probably your entire life. But materialism struggles to explain the implications of new physics and frankly doesn't really cut it. David Bohm, one of the greatest theoretical physicists of his generation, once said "Deep down the consciousness of mankind is one". Do you want to ask for the proof or shall I? |
wicked
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 | 08:18 PM
hahaha, why so serious guys? relax everyone ^_^
Cranky said:
"Huh? Honestly, I have no idea what you're trying to say there. As for humans not being able to fly like a bird, that has a lot to do with weight/power ratios. As you may have noticed, birds are considerably lighter than humans and most of their energy goes into getting off the ground and flying. Also, humans don't have wings.
As a matter of face, a few weeks ago I saw something on the Web about people having built an ornothopter, a device that allows people to fly like a bird. Because of the physics I mentioned above, it isn't a terribly practical device but it does work for very short flights."
I just made an example regarding "SCIENCE", because from what I've read, it's like that you only believe on what science can explain. You're always asking for any evidence, but in reality there's still a lot of things that we cant ("Science") explain ^_^
I just made an example about aircraft because "we" rely so much from it but in reality, its a piece of flying coffin. I made that example to point out that our "science" is not that advance to rely on for any answers that we cant explain.
FYI, I'm not a reader of Rampa's book, but I know someone who read almost all of his book, and when he told me a story about some of Rampa's book, I'm just amazed. An aircraft or what we're calling "UFO" that can fly using the planets magnetic field? hmmm why cant we do that, is that possible? I know Maglev exist and Science also knows about the Earth's magnetic field... ^_^
\m/ |
wicked
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 | 08:58 PM
Cranky said:
"I don't need to see it on ANY TV show. If it was legitimate, it would be reported everywhere. As I said, it would be an astounding development, comparable to splitting the atom. It would give rise to medical breakthroughs and other things we can't even predict. There would be billions of dollars to be made from it.
So why aren't we reading, seeing and hearing about this everywhere rather than on a few New Age websites? Where's the front page story in the New York Times?"
Not all discoveries will be broadcast immediately... I dont know if you're the only person who believes that it will go to the newspaper as soon as new technology is discovered.. Will the US tell the world now that they already have a working force field if ever? hehehe
Cranky said:
"Have you had a cat dictate a book to you telepathically? Just so you know, that would violate everything we know about biology."
hmmm, how do you think "other" animals communicate by just saying "meowwww, meowwww" or "awwwww, awwww"? violate everything about biology? that's our point, dont rely too much on science... |
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