The Museum of Hoaxes
Lobsang Rampa
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Jun 12, 2004
 Your review on TL Rampa is rather outdated and is borne out of an incredible constipated realisation of truth. I have studied his works for the last 25 years and boy are you WRONG! But then you have no knowledge of transmigration and the higher dimensions that pervades all universes. Learn to see within yourself first before you write such drivel. The ultimate HOAX is you, as you believe in your limited 2D reality. If you practised 1 iota of TLR's techniques - you would see the truth for yourself instead of begging (for Hoaxes). But then idiots like yourself are what makes the web fun, I suppose. So dream on.
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May
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 | 09:43 AM
Cranky Media Guy is entitled to believe what he likes, and is entitled to his opinion, however much it differs from anyone else; everyone has a choice.

But it is very, very childish to poke fun at other peoples view or beliefs; especially when he knows NOTHING about the topic or subject being debated; sadly, nor is he interested in knowing!

It does prove that Cranky Media Guy is very
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 | 01:48 PM
Kris said:

"and in regards to lobsang never being in Tibet...you're getting mistaken, Henry Hoskin has never been in Tibet, Lobsang has."

Isn't his story that he became "Rampa" AFTER arriving in Tibet? The "astral projection" version only came to be after he was challenged about not having left England during the time when he was allegedly in Tibet.

"Now, about your flying...if you can show me how to do it, I will believe you."

No, sorry, that would be conforming to the rules of Western Science. You know, the rules that require FACTS and PROOF which you have previously rejected. Clearly, flying is "esoteric" and therefore requires NO proof. I've said it so you MUST believe it.

"Take up my challenge
.....read a couple of his books, practice what he says in the way that he says it and you WILL have all the evidence you're looking for."

I haven't said one word about his philosophy; I'm not really concerned with that. I'm talking about his claims which violate the known laws of physics, like being in telepathic communication with his cat.

This is really simple. If you accept things like that at face value, with no proof whatsoever (and in fact reject the notion of even REQUIRING any evidence of it), you have NO CHOICE but to accept my claim to be able to fly. By asking me for proof (like "Western Science" would), you are violating your own rules.

I can fly. I've said, it and you HAVE to believe me. Asking me for proof and rejecting my claim until I provide it is holding me to an entirely different standard than you hold "Rampa" to. After all, I COULD be flying by astral projection, couldn't I?
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 | 01:59 PM
May said:

"It does prove that Cranky Media Guy is very
kris
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 | 04:51 PM
"No, sorry, that would be conforming to the rules of Western Science. You know, the rules that require FACTS and PROOF which you have previously rejected. Clearly, flying is "esoteric" and therefore requires NO proof. I've said it so you MUST believe it."

what is so hard to understand about THERE IS PROOF, BUT IT"S NOT GONNA BE HANDED TO YOU

i'm gonna ask again...do you believe that humans are the only intellectual beings in the universe?
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 01:01 AM
kris said:

"what is so hard to understand about THERE IS PROOF, BUT IT"S NOT GONNA BE HANDED TO YOU"

Do you or do you not believe that I can fly? You understand, of course, that I'm not just going to hand you the proof. A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice. Then we can discuss things further. Please don't continue to avoid answering this.

"i'm gonna ask again...do you believe that humans are the only intellectual beings in the universe?"

Seems off the topic to me, but I'll answer. I don't know. No one on Earth does. There isn't enough information to come to an informed conclusion.

Happy now?

To May:

So, are you going to tell us where you allegedly got the information that Western Science has determined that 99% of twins can communicate telepathically? You stated it as a matter of fact so there must be a source for that, right?
kris
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 10:47 AM
lol you're just not getting it...

"Seems off the topic to me, but I'll answer. I don't know. No one on Earth does. There isn't enough information to come to an informed conclusion."

you're right, there isn't enough info, but there' are millions of people who believe that there is just no possible way that we are by ourselves in this universe....so they must all be stupid for believing such things as well

It doesn't occur to you that maybe you don't have enough information to come to an informed conclusion on this subject.

im gonna say it once more, if you want proof, you HAVE to practice the teachings, and attain a certain level of spirituality, until then you're not gonna get your answer/proof.

me on the other hand, I've got my answer, and all the proof I need.
May
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 12:04 PM
Hello Cranky Media Guy,

Quote [You stated it as a matter of fact so there must be a source for that, right?]

Yes there is, various, but what I saw was an in-depth documentary with various controlled tests were performed, also I have done my OWN investigations using information from Dr. Rampa; so like Kris in Toronto, WE KNOW! And so can YOU, if you stop and listen to what
kris
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 12:39 PM
well said May
May
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 01:40 PM
Hello Kris in Toronto,

Many thanks. We who do believe are NOT trying to force our viewpoint onto others; rather we are trying to show others who seek proof that the easiest method of finding said proof is via themselves! As a crude example: how can you prove an orgasm feels like without actually experiencing it yourself? YOU CANNOT!

I do hope that Cranky Media Guy tries, that
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 04:59 PM
May said:

"[W]hat I saw was an in-depth documentary with various controlled tests were performed, also I have done my OWN investigations using information from Dr. Rampa; so like Kris in Toronto, WE KNOW! And so can YOU, if you stop and listen to what
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 05:09 PM
If you'll notice, I haven't said one word about "Rampa's" philosophy. I'm strictly concerned with his claims of having done things which violate the known laws of physics.

One of you says that "proof" is a Western concept which isn't applicable to the "esoteric." The other says there is PLENTY of proof, but you can't show it to me.

If I was to read "Rampa's" books, what actual PROOF of his claims would I find in them? Keep in mind that his making the claims, no matter how many times he repeats them, is NOT proof. What in his books would constitute actual EVIDENCE that he could astrally project or that his cat dictated a book to him telepathically? What would I read that would brush aside my skepticism?

Can you understand how amusing I find it that your objection to my claim of being able to fly under my own power is not based on it being physically impossible but on the fact that I've said mean things about "Rampa"?

You claim to have the ability of astral projection, yes? Does that mean that you can travel anywhere in the universe you want without any physical means of transportation?

Are you able to actually demonstrate that, or is another of those "it only works if you believe me and don't demand any evidence" things? I have a reason for asking this.
May
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 11:47 AM
Hello Cranky Media Guy,

Quote [I'm strictly concerned with his claims of having done things which violate the known laws of physics] what an utter crass remark; are you really that STUPID!

Science DOESN
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 02:01 PM
May said:

"Science DOESN
Kris
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 06:05 PM
"I'm curious, what did any of those gentlemen invent which violated any of the known laws of physics? Autos and lightbulbs do not, and never did, violate anything that science knew about the world around us."
Kris
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 06:42 PM
Just one more thing I wanted to add....Thousands of people just like you, begin learning and practicing Lobsang Rampa's ways and they become believers.

Are they all stupid and believe in these ridiculous superstitions too?
Or perhaps, they have found a certain truth in his teachings.

Believe what you will Cranky, but I'll tell you this, and I'm sure I speak for May as well when I say this, but you're missing out.
May
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 01:18 AM
Well said Kris,

You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink 😊

Still, doesn't matter as there is only a few years to go now and the truth will be out for ALL to see! Just wait and see...

May
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 01:25 AM
Kris said:

"They went ahead, and then, as if by a stroke of magic, the secret was discovered."

OK, but that "secret" was NOT something that violated the known laws of physics. They figured out a different method of casting engine blocks. It's not as if making a six-cylinder engine was WITHIN the laws of physics but making an EIGHT-cylinder engine was OUTSIDE the laws of physics.

"If you had told somebody 200 years ago that you could get to the moon, what do you think they would have told you?"

Some people, perhaps even MOST people, would have thought that impossible. It would have been, given the state of science and technology at the time. It was never, however, OUTSIDE the laws of physics. We just didn't have machines that could do it yet.

You claim to be able to "astrally project." That IS against the known laws of physics.

I've asked you if you believe you can travel via astral projection anywhere you want; you have yet to answer that question. Can you?

"Thousands of people just like you, begin learning and practicing Lobsang Rampa's ways and they become believers.

"Are they all stupid and believe in these ridiculous superstitions too?"

SOME of them may be stupid, but I honestly do not believe that the majority of them are. They DO believe in ridiculous superstition, however.

"Believe what you will Cranky, but I'll tell you this, and I'm sure I speak for May as well when I say this, but you're missing out."

I don't question your sincerity. I do, however, question the veracity of your beliefs. Call me a unenlightened skeptic, but the notion that a cat can telepathically dictate a book is WELL beyond the line of credibility to my way of thinking.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 01:14 PM
May said:

"Still, doesn't matter as there is only a few years to go now and the truth will be out for ALL to see! Just wait and see..."

You seem to be hinting at something big. What is it? What "truth" will be out for all to see? Are we going to find out how "astral projection" works? Are we going to see PROOF that a cat can telepathically dictate a book?

You say "there is only a few years to go now." That implies that there is a specific date when these wonders will be revealed to us. Want to let us in on when that will happen?

It seems silly to say "Just read Rampa's books and you find out" if it's going to be revealed to humanity anyway, so why not just let us all in on the Cosmic Secret?
Kris
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 03:47 PM
"Some people, perhaps even MOST people, would have thought that impossible. It would have been, given the state of science and technology at the time. It was never, however, OUTSIDE the laws of physics."

It isn't outside the laws of TODAY's physics...back then i'm quite sure it was.

"We just didn't have machines that could do it yet."

Kind of what I'm trying to tell you about astral travel and telepathy.

"OK, but that "secret" was NOT something that violated the known laws of physics. They figured out a different method of casting engine blocks. It's not as if making a six-cylinder engine was WITHIN the laws of physics but making an EIGHT-cylinder engine was OUTSIDE the laws of physics."

He was told by ENGINEERS that it was impossible. I'm pretty sure one must take numerous physics courses in University to become an ENGINEER.


"I've asked you if you believe you can travel via astral projection anywhere you want; you have yet to answer that question. Can you?"

I have done it a couple of times, which is why I believe Lobsang. Although I'm not fully capable of doing it on demand, whenever I want, I think I'm getting there, and with more practice hopefully I will be able to.


I now see that trying to prove this to you is like trying to convince a Jewish person that Jesus is the son of God. Probably not gonna happen.

Take what you will from it, but i've explained it in the best way i possibly can. If you remain a skeptic there isn't much I can do over a keyboard.
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 | 03:07 AM
Kris said:

"He was told by ENGINEERS that it was impossible. I'm pretty sure one must take numerous physics courses in University to become an ENGINEER."

Yes, but that does NOT mean that the engineers said that they couldn't make an eight-cylinder engine because it would violate one of the known laws of physics.

What law of physics is it that you believe says that a SIX-cylinder engine is possible but an EIGHT-cylinder engine is impossible?

"I have done it [astral projection] a couple of times, which is why I believe Lobsang. Although I'm not fully capable of doing it on demand, whenever I want, I think I'm getting there, and with more practice hopefully I will be able to."

As usual when one is trying to get to the bottom of claims of the supernatural, the stone wall you run into is that the alleged phenomenon just can't be produced so that it can be tested.

Oh, it's real, you heathen, but I can't just SHOW it to you.

I got into a debate a few years back with some people who claimed to be witches and warlocks who could cast spells. Oh, they could do all sorts of miraculous things, according to them. When I challenged them to cast a spell on me, even a death spell if it made them happy, however, suddenly it "doesn't work that way." Funny how it NEVER works in any way that can be objectively tested, even to see if it exists at all.

Has it ever occurred to you that "astral projection" that you can't control may not be anything other than a dream or a hallucination?
Kris
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 | 08:50 PM
"Yes, but that does NOT mean that the engineers said that they couldn't make an eight-cylinder engine because it would violate one of the known laws of physics."

Whatever the case, people who are VERY educated, told him it was impossible. THEY were wrong.

YOU, not so educated, and therefore are even more likely to be wrong.

You say that science can be proven wrong with new information, why does that differ from the laws of physics?

These laws can't be proven wrong?
At once laws of physics said it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of sound.
IT'S BEEN DONE
Also I would like to know what part of astral travel contradicts these laws?

"Has it ever occurred to you that "astral projection" that you can't control may not be anything other than a dream or a hallucination?"

NO it hasn't. Because when you astral travel it's much more intense than a dream. Everything is much more clear and vivid, colors are more vibrant. It's a totally different feeling.

And it's not the astral travel i can't control. It's getting into the astral world that's the hard part, it requires much focus.

You won't know the difference until you do it. Just like you won't know what love is until you meet that special someone, and like you won't know what an orgasm is until you have one.
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 | 01:18 AM
Kris said:

"Whatever the case, people who are VERY educated, told him it was impossible. THEY were wrong."

But, AGAIN, that wasn't because a law of physics said so. I've asked you this before, but you ducked it. Can you please tell me which of the known laws of physics ever said that a six-cylinder engine was possible but an EIGHT-cylinder wasn't?

"These laws can't be proven wrong?
At once laws of physics said it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of sound."

Which law of physics ever said such a thing?

"t's not the astral travel i can't control. It's getting into the astral world that's the hard part, it requires much focus."

Yup, like I said, whenever you ask for any actual PROOF of supernatural ability, the answer always is, "Oh, I can't just DO it. You have to believe that I can without any evidence."

This reminds me of the movie Mystery Men. In it is a character who can become invisible but only when no one is looking. Same thing here.
OverSelf
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 | 01:48 PM
It doesn't matter if he was telling the truth or not about being a real lama, living in Tibet and all of his journeys.
The only thing that he wanted people to know was his teachings, and these are all TRUE.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 | 04:17 PM
OverSelf said:

"It doesn't matter if he was telling the truth or not about being a real lama, living in Tibet and all of his journeys."

It doesn't matter? I guess I'm hard-pressed to understand why you would choose to follow a "guru" you know to be a liar.

"The only thing that he wanted people to know was his teachings, and these are all TRUE."

If all that matters is the "teachings," why did he make up the bullshit story surrounding them in the first place? After all, he COULD have simply written about his philosophy without making up utter nonsence like saying that one of his books was TELEPATHICALLY DICTATED BY HIS CAT. That's SO ridiculous that it deserves to be capitalized.
May
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 | 01:43 AM
Cranky Media Guy will never believe no matter what anyone says, he 100% sure - without any facts - that Dr. Rampa was a liar. Cranky Media Guy will dispute anything which contradicts the laws of physics, but wait, what are these laws of physics?
They are just a
Cranky Media Gu
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 | 05:35 PM
Nice try at shifting the burden of proof onto me, May. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

We KNOW that "Rampa" lied. We know who he REALLY was, we KNOW that he never visited Tibet, etc. You just like his lies, so you're willing to overlook the evidence.

"Science puts so much effort into refuting anything which they cannot understand or explain, so they stick with what they do know, limiting themselves."

Gibberish. No one, including any reputable scientist, claims that science knows everything. Science is a PROCESS by which we TEST things to determine what is and isn't true. At any given moment in time, science is our best estimate of how things work based on TESTING and RESEARCH.

Religion and superstition, of course, do NO testing of their beliefs at all. They say, "This is how things are because WE BELIEVE IT" even when the evidence refutes their conclusions.

"UFOs contravene these laws and have been seen by millions; how can that be?"

Out of the millions who have seen UFO's, what percentage would you say were seeing something terrestrial and NOT from another planet? You talk as if 100% of the people who have seen something they couldn't immediately identify must have witnessed an alien craft. IF we subtract the ones who misidentified something from Earth, we have a more interesting subset, SOME of which MAY or MAY NOT have extraterrestrial origins. You seem to make the foolish assumption that all UFO's MUST be from another planet.

Using your reasoning, since millions of people SAW David Copperfield levitate a train car (just a few miles up the road from where I live, by the way) that obviously means that he has telekinetic powers. I mean, MILLIONS saw it with their own eyes, right? What other explanation could there possibly be?

"But," you say, "Copperfield is a MAGICIAN. He does TRICKS." True, but what if he was unethical and didn't admit that fact. Would that "prove" that he had supernatural abilities?

Rampa doesn't even give you a good trick to observe. He just TELLS you he transcended the physical world and you choose to believe him, based on nothing at all.

"Sadly it
May
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 | 07:42 AM
Hello Cranky Media Guy,

It
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 | 01:41 PM
May, I'll accept all that and admit that I'm completely wrong about Rampa. All you have to do is prove that his cat telepathically dictated a book to him.

So, when can I expect to see that proof?
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 | 01:59 PM
May, would you please tell us all where we can see the photo of Rampa with the Dalai Lama in Tibet?

And while you're digging that up, can you also show us a photo of the flying saucer that Rampa rode in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa

http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/Rampa, Tuesday Lobsang.html
May
Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 | 11:32 AM
Hello Cranky Media Guy,

The proof you seek is something you have to experience yourself, it cannot be offered for analysis by any Western methods. All animals, fish, plants can communicate via telepathy; as did all humans before we had the ability atrophied because humans abused it, and that
May
Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 | 11:43 AM
Quote [May, would you please tell us all where we can see the photo of Rampa with the Dalai Lama in Tibet?} not yet as Buttercup
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 | 02:06 PM
When I said that Rampa lied about visiting Tibet, May told me that there was a photo of him with the Dalai Lama. Naturally, I asked where one could see this alleged photo. Why am I not surprised that "it [isn't] published yet, but I do have a copy and hopping it will be hosted towards the end of this year.

You'll understand, I'm sure, that I won't be holding my breath waiting for this to happen.

As for Rampa's ride in a UFO, "as no photos were taken it
May
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 | 01:08 PM
Photo proof is now online at this link http://www.lobsangrampa.org/hypothesis.html
oyunlar
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 | 02:38 PM
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 | 09:07 PM
As someone who just started studying tibetan buddhism, I would like to say that the very explanation that Hoskins (Rampa) gives about how the soul of a tibetan lama transmigrated into his body is highly in contradiction with buddhist teachings (even if we assume that all the mystic stories about tibetan lamas are true).

Also, anyone who has spent any time with a lama would know that they would never openly speak about their "supernatural powers". Even a normal monk wouldn't openly say he has this or that quality, such as erudition, compassion, as it would be a sign of ego (all the buddhist teachings' goal are to get rid of ego). And to the people who say they don't care that he is a phony, if you think he might be lying about is identity, what kind of credibility does that give him. He wanted to expose his thoughts on spirituality, which might have been good. But he tried to gain a reputation by borrowing the title of a lama. That in itself is a sign that he is missing spiritual insight. Even if it was true, as a tibetan, wouldn't he know that they wouldn't beleive his story and simply have released his work under his westener name ? Even the Dalai Lama stated that his works are fictive and imaginary. I just bought one of his books (the tibetan name got me) and got a weird feeling when i started reading it. After about four pages, is was completely sure that he was no lama.

The importance of the lineage is predominent in tibetan buddhism, it must go back to the buddha. The teachings are passed on from lama to student. It is very dangerous if you read a little and think that you are spiritualy accomplished. If fact the opposite occurs, you use spiritual techniques to strenghten you ego. It is my opinion that Rampa's lineage goes only as far as his own ego.

I've read stories about masters with spiritual powers, but they always use them to teach Dharma. This guy seems to focus on the powers themselves and consider them the goal to accomplish.

Sorry for being so serious, I know you guys tried to lighten the debate with jokes, but i recently saw what kind of mental damage a wrong approach to spirituality can produce.
Stev
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 | 01:11 AM
I'm intrigued - can you expand on what exactly a 'wrong approach to spirituality' is and explain the mental damage you witnessed it producing?
me
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 | 11:40 AM
oyunlar just copied and pasted the post by Gabriel, on the first page....
hahaha
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 | 08:43 PM
@Cranky Media Guy
I just want to ask you what makes more sense? What's written in the bible or other holy writings or L. Rampa's lies? Because for me what's written in the bible is all the basic information the humans need to know at the early time... L. Rampa's stories makes more sense of what could have happened in early time. Just my theory, ^_^ \m/...

I'll go to L.Rampa's stories than believe the teachings of different religous group, why? Im not saying that bibles or other religous writings are not true but because even them dont have a proof of what they believe and the infomations are so BASIC that even science could not think of anyway that it could even happen, like:

"God created human beings, he made them to be like himself" --> Information is very basic, who is god? how did he create human? Is he the creator of the whole universe and other life in it or only humans and earth? etc. etc. etc.

but when i read about the "Earth Gardeners" and "war in the space with the HORN race" by L. Rampa's so called "LIES", i still want to believe his stories because it makes more sense rather than believe in "angels and demons" things, angels in heaven and demons in hell? where is hell and where is heaven? what if the demons in the bible are the "HORN race" they have war with in the space? it's like a scifi movie that is possible to happen with clearer explanation of what might happened in the past.. oh by the way L. Rampa's LIES also told something about 4th dimension... maybe the heaven and hell is there, we cannot tell.. hehehe

PS: dont take this seriously, hehehehehe
May
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 | 10:53 AM
Happy New Year CMG,

I am delighted that you are seriously starting to question things. You are not alone as the bible was forced on to people and was presided upon one person , in around 325AD by the Pagan Emperor Constantine, Rome's supreme holy man and thus Christianity was formed somewhat as we know it today. The first bible wasn
May
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 | 08:37 AM
Should read:

So many people have seen UFOs and yet people still disbelieve because the existence of other life because it contradicts any religious teachings that humans are the highest form in existence; again another historical inaccuracy.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 | 01:39 PM
May, "UFO" means "Unidentified Flying Object," not "craft from another planet, piloted by intelligent alien beings." Most UFO sightings are explainable as natural phenomena misunderstood by the observer(s).

A smaller percentage is harder to explain but that does not constitute automatic proof that they are intelligently-piloted alien craft.

Bottom line: we don't have enough evidence to know whether or not there are intelligent beings on other planets.
May
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 | 04:42 AM
Hello CMG,

This is where you will have to do some digging as there is plenty of proof, however only YOU can prove it to YOURSELF. Correct that "UFO" means "Unidentified Flying Object" as when that phrase was first coined publicly we knew very little about beings from other planets, mainly because nearly all religions taught that humans were the highest form of existence, God
flyingvivaldi
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 | 04:56 AM
"I am not going to say precisely where
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 | 01:25 PM
May said:

"I am not going to say precisely where
May
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 | 03:00 PM
Ridiculous you say! well perhaps you should learn to READ, as I have given you many facts which you can check up yourself if you wasn
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 | 06:56 PM
May said:

"Ridiculous you say! well perhaps you should learn to READ, as I have given you many facts which you can check up yourself if you wasn
May
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 | 03:25 AM
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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 | 05:04 PM
May said:

"We have had this debate before, but I shall repeat myself again. Much of what I know I have experienced it via astral travel; as well as reading various books whilst keeping an open mind. So YOU have to learn how to astral travel so YOU will see and experience it for YOURSELF. No one can do that for you, and only then will you have all the proof you seek; or keep demanding as if you are some Lord or Master."

So I have to accept your totally unproven concept of "astral travel" to accept your OTHER totally unproven theories. Fascinating.

"'Put up or shut up'. That
Melomana
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 | 08:20 AM
Hi folks,

I just read "The Third Eye" (in Spanish). There are a couple of tings in this book that seem alien to a very, very ancient & mature soul: a lack of humility -- see how he keeps insisting on his pedigre, his rank, his achievements -- and a lack of respect for women. I just noticed, being a woman, but if you use the electronic version and search for the word "women" this becomes very evident. Nowhere does he express any respect for the present Dalai Lama, and his reactions to incredulity are positively belligerent.
Of course, it
andy
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 | 11:13 AM
i distinctly remember reading rampa and telling friends and family about it in the 70s.i had various interesting experiences while working in the canadian forest which i could not explain, let alone prove and also interesting things happened at stonehenge, avebury and various locations in england. i can promise you that if a scientist had been there with me they would have seen nothing. these things are subtle and you have to be ready. some of the things like glastonbury only make an impact long after the event.
science will not prove paranormal stuff for thousands of years. the presence of a scientist in the vicinity is enough to prevent it from happening.it has been said that scientist go to a certain spot in south america where ufo s are regularly seen and never see one. as soon as they go away with their scepticism the ufo s appear.
as far as rampa goes, cyril hoskins worked with the open university.
rampas biggest critic in the 50s was heinrich harrar who spent 7 years in tibet. it has been revealed recently that he was a nazi.
to say that telepathy does not exist because science cannot explain doesnt mean much.according to some sources science at this moment has worked out 1 percent of reality.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 | 05:17 PM
andy said:

"i had various interesting experiences while working in the canadian forest which i could not explain, let alone prove and also interesting things happened at stonehenge, avebury and various locations in england. i can promise you that if a scientist had been there with me they would have seen nothing."

You DO realize that that COULD be because there was actually nothing supernatural happening there, yes?

"science will not prove paranormal stuff for thousands of years. the presence of a scientist in the vicinity is enough to prevent it from happening."

So, according to you, whatever magical thing is happening can somehow automatically detect the presence of a person who is objective and will not manifest itself because of that. Hmm, here's MY explanation: when a scientist is present, he or she can see that what is happening has a natural explanation and therefore isn't astounded by it.

"it has been said that scientist go to a certain spot in south america where ufo s are regularly seen and never see one. as soon as they go away with their scepticism the ufo s appear."

See my previous paragraph.

"rampas biggest critic in the 50s was heinrich harrar who spent 7 years in tibet. it has been revealed recently that he was a nazi."

Let's assume for a moment that that is correct. How does that prove that Rampa was anything other than a fraud?

"to say that telepathy does not exist because science cannot explain doesnt mean much.according to some sources science at this moment has worked out 1 percent of reality."

What "sources" say that? No rational person claims that science has the answers to every question. That however does not prove that telepathy exists.
Kris
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 | 02:45 AM
Just an interesting article I found, and immdiately thought of cranky....give it a read

Looks like science may be beginning to understand what people have been teaching for years but has been classified as 'bullshit'

To quote the article (as it is a lengthy one), I found these few paragraphs rather interesting.

Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained. Of course the frequency has to be correct. And this is why not everybody is equally successful or can do it with always the same strength. The individual person must work on the inner processes and maturity in order to establish a conscious communication with the DNA. The Russian researchers work on a method that is not dependent on these factors but will ALWAYS work, provided one uses the correct frequency.

But the higher developed an individual�s consciousness is, the less need is there for any type of device! One can achieve these results by oneself, and science will finally stop laughing at such ideas and will confirm and explain the results. And it doesn�t end there. The Russian scientists also found out that our DNA can cause disturbing patterns in the vacuum, thus producing magnetized wormholes! Wormholes are the microscopic equivalents of the so-called Einstein-Rosen bridges in the vicinity of black holes (left by burned-out stars).

These are tunnel connections between entirely different areas in the universe through which information can be transmitted outside of space and time. The DNA attracts these bits of information and passes them on to our consciousness. This process of hypercommunication is most effective in a state of relaxation. Stress, worries or a hyperactive intellect prevent successful hypercommunication or the information will be totally distorted and useless. In nature, hypercommunication has been successfully applied for millions of years. The organized flow of life in insect states proves this dramatically. Modern man knows it only on a much more subtle level as "intuition". But we, too, can regain full use of it. "

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Kris
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 | 02:48 AM
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Spirituality_and_Science/id/4161

Whooops, forgot to post link...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 | 01:59 PM
Kris, let's assume for a moment that everything you quoted in your post is accurate. None of that would prove that Rampa wasn't a fraud. None of it would back up his ridiculous claim that his cat dictated a book to him telepathically, for example.

I'm sticking with Occam's Razor on this one, thanks.
Kris
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 | 04:36 PM
Well if we assume everything I posted is correct, then we know that lobsang is telling the truth about at least one thing....now, we may never know whether it was dictated by a cat or not because science hasn't gotten that far yet...but while science is playing catchup on that topic, they seem to have proven another to be true .
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 | 05:35 PM
Kris, now that I've had a chance to look at that link you've posted, I've seen that it's a bunch of pseudo-scientific nonsense. Example:

"The bottom line was:
'Living chromosomes function just like solitonic/holographic computers using the endogenous DNA laser radiation.'

"This means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency patterns onto a laser ray and with it influenced the DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself. Since the basic structure of DNA-alkaline pairs and of language (as explained earlier) are of the same structure, no DNA decoding is necessary. One can simply use words and sentences of the human language!"


One of the things that scientific method demands is that a claim be re-produceable. Can you name any reputable scientist who has been able to reproduce whatever it is these Russians are claiming to have been able to do?
Kris
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 | 07:15 PM
Of course.... Anything against your beliefs is nonsense.

Science still hasn't proven the big bang theory to be 100 percent factual either. But I bet you wouldn't be all over forums saying it's bullshit and calling it nonsense.

Why? Is it so much more believable that we all came from one small particle and evolved into intellectual beings over millions of years, than it is people using their brain and intellect to a higher potential
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 | 01:22 AM
Kris said:

"Of course.... Anything against your beliefs is nonsense.

"Science still hasn't proven the big bang theory to be 100 percent factual either. But I bet you wouldn't be all over forums saying it's bullshit and calling it nonsense."

Do you see that word "theory" that you just used? That means that it isn't entirely proven yet. Legitimate scientists do NOT claim that the Big Bang is a certainty. Your Russians on the other hand are claiming that their "discovery" IS proven. See the difference?

"Why? Is it so much more believable that we all came from one small particle and evolved into intellectual beings over millions of years, than it is people using their brain and intellect to a higher potential"

Again, the Big Bang is a theory. A good one backed by actual SCIENCE but not completely proven. There are actual facts and evidence to support the theory of the Big Bang. Just because something seems a reasonable to you as something else, that does NOT mean that there is necessarily any actual evidence or proof behind the thing you believe in.

Sorry, Kris, but the quote I extracted from the link you provided is gibberish. It's classic quack science to throw around words like "vibrations" in nonsensical contexts.
Kris
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 | 03:47 PM
Ignorance is bliss
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 | 05:48 PM
No offense, Kris, but I don't think *I'm* the ignorant one here. This gibberish about "vibrations" may seem like New Breakthrough Stuff to you but as someone who has been reading about quack medicine and bad science since I was a kid, I can tell you there ain't nothing new about it. Even those phony "therapeutic" bracelets they hawk on late-night TV claims to use vibrations in some unspecified way to do God knows what.

Has it not occurred to you, Kris, that if someone had really discovered how to "talk" to human DNA, it would revolutionize our world? It would be written extensively about in not only scientific literature but in the mainstream media as well. The ramifications of such a discovery would be far-reaching. It might well have the capability of ending many, if not all, diseases. The discoverers of this astounding breakthrough would stand to become very wealthy.

Given all that, why is it that the only place that seems to be talking about this revolutionary "discovery" is an obscure New Age website?
Kris
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 | 06:37 PM
First off, spirituality has been around for thousands of years, so tell me what is so 'new age' about it.

And secondly, it's actually on many ' new age websites'... Do a simple google search and see for yourself, cause I don't know what site or tv show you need to see it on to believe it.

Or maybe they're all in on it together and trying to trick you.

And I don't know if you noticed but mainstream media is more interested in a bunch of kids from new jersey partying and having one night stands than it is about bettering the human race.

You think modern society would watch a show on spirituality?? Probably not, because it isn't cool. It's not what people find interesting or entertaining so no one cares enough to show it.
Your problem is, you won't believe anything that can't be grown in a petri dish.

It's ok cranky, I just wanted to show you the article, thinking you might be a little more open minded. You clearly don't want to expand your mind and think outside the box at all...so do with it what you will, I'm not forcing my opinions and beliefs on you, just asking that you learn something about it before you go spreading your 'it's all bullshit and nonsense' propaganda.
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